posted ago by werewolfinasuit ago by werewolfinasuit +16 / -0

Here's a vintage conspiracy that I don't think many are aware of. Recently, I.D. and Peacock have released docs examining links between John Wayne Gacy and child pimp John Norman. But today I won't be talking about that. Going down the J.W. Gacy rabbit hole lead me to an interesting and under-researched thread; that being an L.A. CP Ring bust in late 1973, shortly after the revelation of the Dean Corll murders (evidently, his crimes are identical to those of J.W. Gacy). Only 10 days after the crime, John Norman was raided by Texas authorities, finding that he ran a nationwide, possibly international pedophile ring known as the Odyssey Foundation (and later The Delta Project). Well, a few pedo ring busts later, authorities are led to Los Angeles; home of Child P Kingpin: Guy Strait. Strait and several of his accomplices were arrested. However, one evaded justice. His name is: Billy Byars Jr. A native Texan and heir of a multi-million dollar oil fortune of Humble Oil executive Bill Byars Sr.

Billy Byars Sr. is no small player. He came up in Tyler, Texas during the Oil boom of the early 20th century with none other than Clint Murchison, the father of the founder of the Dallas Cowboys and Oil billionaire. Byars Sr. was friends with the likes of Eisenhower, J. Edgar Hoover, Lyndon Johnson, and even Mexican Revolutionary; Pancho Villa (according to an interview that Byars Jr. did in the September 1972 issue of After Dark magazine). Personal letters reveal that Byars Sr. and his other oil buddies were rehabilitating Eisenhower's angus cattle ranch. Byars Sr. also stayed in a bungalow right across from Hoover and the Del Charro hotel in La Jolla, California. Hoover and Byars, according to author Anthony Summers, were close friends. So much so that according to Summers, Byars was amongst the first three people Hoover called upon hearing the news that JFK was assassinated. The other two: RFK and the Secret Service. Billy Byars Sr. died in the mid-1960s, but according to Sommers, the relationship between Hoover and the Byars family did not end there.

According to two sources, one being LAPD Vice Officer Don Smith and Byars Jr associate; Charles Krebs. LAPD Vice Officer Don Smith was investigating child prostitution in the late sixties. During his interviews with some of the boys, a few them implicated J Edgar Hoover, amongst other big names, as having abused them. Charles Krebs backs this up further. He claimed to have overheard the boys that hung around Byar's mansion talking about the sexual escapades with J. Edgar Hoover. Furthermore, Krebs claimed to have accompanied Byars Jr. and an older man (presumably Guy Strait) to escort an underage boy prostitute to Hoover in La Jolla, California.

Interestingly, Guy Strait was also from Texas and worked on Eisenhower's campaign. I wonder if that is how he ended up crossing paths with Byars. Strait is an interesting person. He was big in the early 60's SF gay scene and ran around with Jose Sarria . Sometime in the 1960s he became the most successful child pornographer in the country up until 1973. He also admitted to knowing and working with John Norman in a 1977 interview in the Chicago Tribune.

While there's not a lot to go off here, there are a lot of interesting details that are worth a deeper look. Strait and Byars, both Junior and Senior, are small footnotes in history, with most info about them scattered through several books. However, the influence of them can't be easily ignored. Especially since a lot of these people ran in the same circles that I suspect the conspirators of the Kennedy assassination also ran in. Murchinson's Del Charro Hotel had guests ranging from mobsters, defense contractors, politicians, actors, law enforcement, and other elite members of society at the time. They even backed Lyndon Johnson. Hoover was also reportedly a frequent guest there as well. Even further, he seemed to be pretty low on the totem pole in terms of the power dynamics of the other, non-government affiliated guests at the hotel.

I will be honest and say that all of my sources are not presently with me, namely the two books that I cite. I am pulling that info from memory but I'll leave the sources below so you can dig into this yourself. My apologies for mistakes or important pieces of glossed over information. This is meant as a jumping off point to look further into this rabbit hole. I also want to state that this is not to push some kind of anti-gay agenda. I'm sure some will make a correlation, but that is not my intent with this write up.


The books in question are:

Children in Chains by Clifford Linedecker (The info on Strait)

Secret and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover by Anthony Sommers (The info on Byars Sr. & Jr.'s relationship with Hoover and his times at the Del Charro Hotel)

For further internet digging:

The Clown and the Candyman podcast (the video documentary is good too): https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/the-clown-and-the-candyman

CAVDEF page on John Norman: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=John_Norman

I suggest looking through this site for more sources on elite pedo ring cases.

More on Murchinson: https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmurchison.htm

The website BoyWiki has a pretty extensive write up on both Byars Jr. and Strait HOWEVER, BoyWiki is a despicable pro-NAMBLA website that may cause you to want to throw your computer into the ocean. It is non-pornographic, but takes an apologetic stance towards these people. Proceed at your own discretion. However, despite the deplorable nature of the website, their entries are very well sourced and researched. I will not link them in this post cuz fuck 'em.

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Xaviermgk 2 points ago +2 / -0

This made me think of the an anecdote I read supposedly about Roger Stone, and how at parties he was often "the bull"...a guy who goes around wearing a bull's head and doing whatever he wanted. And often not good things.

I believe the Hellfire Club had a similar thing with someone being "Satan" for the night. Bohemian Grove too often had a central figure for the night.

But I think much of it was about power dynamics like you said and extreme sadism, as much as the sexual part.

werewolfinasuit [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's really interesting. It might also be a symptom of being "untouchable". As in, you have everything and you're bored. So some seemingly decide to hurt children just for the hell of it. Tom Philpott thinks this is a big part of the equation in the excellent but harrowing Boys For Sale program that aired on Houston public access in the early 80's. Definitely worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWn_d3OCWhE&t=14s&ab_channel=ScienceFindsGod

werewolfinasuit [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I should also add that after this aired, Tom Philpott was shot 3 times during a home invasion. He survived, but ended up "committing suicide" in the early 90's. The details on his suicide are difficult to find.

Xaviermgk 1 point ago +1 / -0

I will give it a look. I brought it up because I read before how aggressive Hoover was.

Fileiro 1 point ago +1 / -0

The anecdote your referring to was relayed by an anon poster on /pol/, claiming to have been a driver/fixer/muscle for Jeffrey Epstein.

Roger Stone was running around naked on Epstein's Lolita Island in a bull mask raping anyone he came across, with absolute impunity.

The poster also claimed to have disposed of the dead body of a female for some rich kid cokehead and that he witnessed the beating of an individual who was caught by Epstein's security trying to take photos at one of Epstein's parties, in Switzerland, iirc. He claimed this individual was disappeared.

Roger Stone is a highly suspect character, imo. He was also connected to the pedophile Roy Cohn, Donald Trump's "mentor".

Xaviermgk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Roger Stone looks like an Andy Warhol wannabe on steroids (literally).

I was reading an article that was basically about him and Laura Loomer having lunch.

Both just awful people.

I'm going to get back to this, because I have more to add.

Fileiro 1 point ago +1 / -0

Please do, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on Stone.

Xaviermgk 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't really have much more to say about Stone, but damn, who drinks three martinis during lunch? Him and Loomer are both cartoonishly obscene, and perhaps as bad virtue signalers as anyone.

Anyhow, when I was on reddit, I used to read politics to see how bad the propaganda was.

Deep in a thread one time, a guy told a story about how he was a former neighbor of Leslie Wexner, and even went to a party at his house one time.

Long story short, Wexner ended up hitting on his male friend. He said there wasn't really anything off about the party, but I'd say having a old married man, the host no less, hit on your twentysomething friend is just a bit bizarre.

I even ended up conversing with the guy and he was pretty honest about the whole thing. He was basically like, "I know these people are fucked up, but even I didn't think they were that fucked up." I really don't think he had an apprehension that's it was much worse than he thought. Just found it interesting.