Secondly yes, atheists do often times adhere to some level of good and evil however yes, they only exists as concepts even in Gods eyes.
Remember that it was only when Adam ate the FORBIDDEN fruit that he began thinking in those concepts and then needing morality, a dualistic concept to stop him from doing undesirable things. Simply as a.member of this species you will have an aversion to killing other members of this species. It's hardwired into us being a highly social animal. What stops a wolf from ravaging all the other wolves in its pack? Simply that it is hardwired for more social behavior than rhat, in fact few animals kill their own species off.
Do ants need concepts of good and evil to stop them from murdering other ants in their own cony? Do they think they are doing anything inherently good when they are giving up their lives for their cony? No, it's just been n their genetic make up to do certain things, and to not do others.
Humans are no different in that. We are different in that we are bio-cultural organisms capable of assimilating and being governed by subjective ideas that vary from culture to culture such as ideas about good and evil, and we have consciousness and what we are conscious of can become as much a condition and factor influencing behavior as culture or genetics.
So yes, even athirst are going to rationalize things and they will likely rationalize them according to an IDEA of what is desirable for mankind as opposed to what is undesirable so when they (in their eyes) create the perfect society for humanity they can pay themselves on the back and take credit as being the founding fathers of that new world order.
Speaking of founding fathers, they had no problem killing off brits to establish what they thought would be a better society for the Majority of people in the colonies who themselves did not feel strongly enough the same way enough to join the fight. But the founding fathers had a vision of a more perfect society and they did it as much for the rest of the colonist as they did for future generations.
Make no mistake, the NWO has the same thing going on in their minds, but have taken it to another level and that level is an arrogant and foolish crime against humanity.
They feel they are fighting a war against ignorance and destruction by taking the reigns for all of humanity.
Even Jesus rejected being called good and insisted no one was good. Jesus did not teach anything on the concepts of morality.
Adam walked with God, until he gave into the serpant who told him that to judge things good and evil was to be like God, yet God told him that would be his end. He fell into the mind of duality.
All dualistic concepts are merely concepts, yet God is objective.
To label things as good and bad is to judge yet we are taught to "judge not lest ye be judged yourself" but instead of judging we are taught that it is better to know, understand, and live by that " what ye sew, so shall ye reap" so it is better to do what is prosperous and to help other people, including/especially your enemy by that reasoning alone. We are taught not to do things because they make us "good", or are "good" things.
If you are not judging you are not labeling things as having a false duality. The moment you judge something as good or evil you have judged and are thus sinning and dwelling in a lie.
So long as you judge things and people you sustain yourself on forbidden fruit and dwell in death and do not walk with God.
The NWO are playing God, and planning their own judgment day for humanity and they are doing so based on concepts of what they believe is Good. They have their own idea of Utopia for mankind and believe they are justified in what they do because of their sense of morality.
I already told you what jesus taught. If you look at the context that you copied that quote of me from your see I stated he did not teach about dualistic concepts of doing good for goodness sake or any morality.
He taught that what you see you shall also reap, and to do into others as you would have them do to you .
Jesus never said he is God, let alone "literally".
I will ask you to provide the verse where Jesus called him self God. He never said "I am God",.
He definitely spoke as if he were not, and a separate entity than God:
Luke 23: 44 “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.
Mathew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Luke 23:34 . “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”
And this verse is full of things that exposed fault in what you are saying:
Luke 22:41 "41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[c]"
He has a separate will from God, he ask why God has forgotten him, he ask God to take his spirit and an angel strengthens him. How does an angel strengthens God, and how do any of these direct statements from Jesus imply that he claimed to be God?
He never claimed to be God once. He never said "I am God" but he did make statements that directly imply that he was separate entity, he even says that he sits beside his father in heaven.
As far as the concept of good, The only thing Jesus ever says on the topic of being good is
Mark 10:17 "17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"
So as I said Jesus actually rejected being called good and said that no one is good and no one can be good.
God alone. Not a separate will of God that sits next to him, but God alone.
What Jesus did say
Mathew 11:27
"27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
Again speaking of himself as separate, and yet again in
John 14:
" 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
He does not say he is the father, he says the father is in him, and he is in the father, never once claiming to "literally" be God as you put it. He even uses an analogy that definitely divides them, father and son.
Are you a father or son. I am both and know that although my son and I are greatly intertwined and close he is not me and I am it him, but I know that when he goes out he represents me to some degree, and people know me through him. I home school him so he does not go to school and is this less aif a product of the world and more of a product of me so he represents my gathering when he goes out, but like Jesus said of himself and his father, he has a separate will and is this a separate entity.
And the last thing he said in the Bible in Revelation 22
"16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”"
He claims that he is the offspring of David just as the old testament (Isaiah) prophecized that the messenger of God would be. The prophecy never claimed God would come, but claimed he would send his messenger who would be of the linkage of David.
You are clearly not super familiar with the scriptures. You've probably looked at the Bible but never read it.
You are arguing a belief of a religions that you were taught to believe, but you won't find scripture to back it up.
You will not find Jesus saying these things. At best you will find Paul saying the things that your religious beliefs are based on, but Paul is not Christ and was not sent as God's messenger. He was a self appointed apostle who contradicts Christ over and over.
What did Christ teach? To love your enemy, that what you see you WILL reap. He said to give away All of your belongings or you can not call yourself a christian. The bulk of his teaching was to get rid of all you owned and to stop working for the system.
The early christians did do this, but christianity was bastardized and the version of christianity going around is an image based off of the catholic belief system that is nothing like what Christ taught or what the early christians believed.
When you understand this the verses that describe only 144,000 people being saved and that many are called but few are chosen.
These are also statements of Christ that the religious beliefs deny and say are untrue.
Most of what Jesus actually said is denied and brushed aside, but Paul's teaching was embraced. Jesus is described away by Paul's teaching, but I do not believe Paul's teaching over rides christ.
The church has clung to the forbidden fruit and still eats off of the tree of knowledge and does not see the tree of life.
If someone does something truly good, they don't lie to and manipulate the very people they're trying to do good for.
Not effective.This not works usually.
If God does not exist there is no objective truth, only subjective opinion, and literally nothing has any significance outside of the fleeting, subjective here and now.
While I believe God probably exist - you are wrong. Objective truth exists as everyone is connected to another, however its perception - is God existing or not - is purely subjective. At the end nobody can surely know and understand the greater order of things we call "truth".
The objective, abstract, immaterial standards of good and evil cannot exist in a reality that is nothing more than material (matter). Similarly, the laws of logic cannot exist in a universe that is nothing but matter being acted upon by time and chance. These standards of good and evil, along with the laws of logic, exist independently of the material world.
Materialism vs idealism being opposites is philosophy delusion. Matter (form) and idea (movement/change) are bonded each other. Pantheism is more right than dualism.
That it was sinister is the ops words, not mine.
Secondly yes, atheists do often times adhere to some level of good and evil however yes, they only exists as concepts even in Gods eyes.
Remember that it was only when Adam ate the FORBIDDEN fruit that he began thinking in those concepts and then needing morality, a dualistic concept to stop him from doing undesirable things. Simply as a.member of this species you will have an aversion to killing other members of this species. It's hardwired into us being a highly social animal. What stops a wolf from ravaging all the other wolves in its pack? Simply that it is hardwired for more social behavior than rhat, in fact few animals kill their own species off.
Do ants need concepts of good and evil to stop them from murdering other ants in their own cony? Do they think they are doing anything inherently good when they are giving up their lives for their cony? No, it's just been n their genetic make up to do certain things, and to not do others.
Humans are no different in that. We are different in that we are bio-cultural organisms capable of assimilating and being governed by subjective ideas that vary from culture to culture such as ideas about good and evil, and we have consciousness and what we are conscious of can become as much a condition and factor influencing behavior as culture or genetics.
So yes, even athirst are going to rationalize things and they will likely rationalize them according to an IDEA of what is desirable for mankind as opposed to what is undesirable so when they (in their eyes) create the perfect society for humanity they can pay themselves on the back and take credit as being the founding fathers of that new world order.
Speaking of founding fathers, they had no problem killing off brits to establish what they thought would be a better society for the Majority of people in the colonies who themselves did not feel strongly enough the same way enough to join the fight. But the founding fathers had a vision of a more perfect society and they did it as much for the rest of the colonist as they did for future generations.
Make no mistake, the NWO has the same thing going on in their minds, but have taken it to another level and that level is an arrogant and foolish crime against humanity.
They feel they are fighting a war against ignorance and destruction by taking the reigns for all of humanity.
Even Jesus rejected being called good and insisted no one was good. Jesus did not teach anything on the concepts of morality.
Adam walked with God, until he gave into the serpant who told him that to judge things good and evil was to be like God, yet God told him that would be his end. He fell into the mind of duality.
All dualistic concepts are merely concepts, yet God is objective.
To label things as good and bad is to judge yet we are taught to "judge not lest ye be judged yourself" but instead of judging we are taught that it is better to know, understand, and live by that " what ye sew, so shall ye reap" so it is better to do what is prosperous and to help other people, including/especially your enemy by that reasoning alone. We are taught not to do things because they make us "good", or are "good" things.
If you are not judging you are not labeling things as having a false duality. The moment you judge something as good or evil you have judged and are thus sinning and dwelling in a lie.
So long as you judge things and people you sustain yourself on forbidden fruit and dwell in death and do not walk with God.
The NWO are playing God, and planning their own judgment day for humanity and they are doing so based on concepts of what they believe is Good. They have their own idea of Utopia for mankind and believe they are justified in what they do because of their sense of morality.
I already told you what jesus taught. If you look at the context that you copied that quote of me from your see I stated he did not teach about dualistic concepts of doing good for goodness sake or any morality.
He taught that what you see you shall also reap, and to do into others as you would have them do to you .
Jesus never said he is God, let alone "literally".
I will ask you to provide the verse where Jesus called him self God. He never said "I am God",.
He definitely spoke as if he were not, and a separate entity than God:
Luke 23: 44 “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.
Mathew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Luke 23:34 . “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”
And this verse is full of things that exposed fault in what you are saying:
Luke 22:41 "41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[c]"
He has a separate will from God, he ask why God has forgotten him, he ask God to take his spirit and an angel strengthens him. How does an angel strengthens God, and how do any of these direct statements from Jesus imply that he claimed to be God?
He never claimed to be God once. He never said "I am God" but he did make statements that directly imply that he was separate entity, he even says that he sits beside his father in heaven.
As far as the concept of good, The only thing Jesus ever says on the topic of being good is
Mark 10:17 "17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"
So as I said Jesus actually rejected being called good and said that no one is good and no one can be good.
God alone. Not a separate will of God that sits next to him, but God alone.
What Jesus did say Mathew 11:27 "27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
Again speaking of himself as separate, and yet again in
John 14: " 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
He does not say he is the father, he says the father is in him, and he is in the father, never once claiming to "literally" be God as you put it. He even uses an analogy that definitely divides them, father and son.
Are you a father or son. I am both and know that although my son and I are greatly intertwined and close he is not me and I am it him, but I know that when he goes out he represents me to some degree, and people know me through him. I home school him so he does not go to school and is this less aif a product of the world and more of a product of me so he represents my gathering when he goes out, but like Jesus said of himself and his father, he has a separate will and is this a separate entity.
And the last thing he said in the Bible in Revelation 22 "16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”"
He claims that he is the offspring of David just as the old testament (Isaiah) prophecized that the messenger of God would be. The prophecy never claimed God would come, but claimed he would send his messenger who would be of the linkage of David.
You are clearly not super familiar with the scriptures. You've probably looked at the Bible but never read it.
You are arguing a belief of a religions that you were taught to believe, but you won't find scripture to back it up.
You will not find Jesus saying these things. At best you will find Paul saying the things that your religious beliefs are based on, but Paul is not Christ and was not sent as God's messenger. He was a self appointed apostle who contradicts Christ over and over.
What did Christ teach? To love your enemy, that what you see you WILL reap. He said to give away All of your belongings or you can not call yourself a christian. The bulk of his teaching was to get rid of all you owned and to stop working for the system.
The early christians did do this, but christianity was bastardized and the version of christianity going around is an image based off of the catholic belief system that is nothing like what Christ taught or what the early christians believed.
When you understand this the verses that describe only 144,000 people being saved and that many are called but few are chosen.
These are also statements of Christ that the religious beliefs deny and say are untrue.
Most of what Jesus actually said is denied and brushed aside, but Paul's teaching was embraced. Jesus is described away by Paul's teaching, but I do not believe Paul's teaching over rides christ.
The church has clung to the forbidden fruit and still eats off of the tree of knowledge and does not see the tree of life.
Not effective.This not works usually.
While I believe God probably exist - you are wrong. Objective truth exists as everyone is connected to another, however its perception - is God existing or not - is purely subjective. At the end nobody can surely know and understand the greater order of things we call "truth".
Materialism vs idealism being opposites is philosophy delusion. Matter (form) and idea (movement/change) are bonded each other. Pantheism is more right than dualism.