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I can unify the left and right, atheists and Christians, because an alien taught me how to understand the bible.
posted 4 years ago by alien_observer 4 years ago by alien_observer +2 / -6

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– emperorbma 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, Law of One mentions Logoi.

At any rate, reptiliandude claimed LO1 is BS. Instead he claims that these "solar allegories" appear on multiple worlds and are one of the teaching actions that are meant to lead to the One God. He says that the Naigaje aren't as dogmatic about this as monotheists are here. In his case, he interprets this as a form of unitarian deism. But he also claims that God works with whatever belief systems He finds are present.

Personally, I actually subscribe to a traditional Christian paradigm. Theosis rather than apotheosis. This is more of a fact finding and hypothetical track of thought for me.

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– Xaviermgk 0 points 4 years ago +1 / -1

Well, if God is Logos, then beyond knowledge I would think it would imply a logical basis for everything, so fact finding like you said helps to piece a lot of things together.

I was told that the ultimate purpose for reality was to provide for love, beauty, and glory, in that order.

Glory is something a bit left behind, isn't it? Probably because the world is a little out of sync in regards to the first two.

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– emperorbma 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Indeed, I think it's fair to say God has a logical basis. It's also correct to recognize, as you have, that may be beyond our knowledge. Furthermore, it may remain so indefinitely.

There's a very distinct qualitative difference between God's Logos and man's reasoning. Our reasoning is in some respects a derivative form which is less absolute than His. In some ways less potent, but in some ways we can do things that His absolute perspective would make difficult. I tend to think of it like this: Our reasoning is based on deductive inference, induction from multiple cases, or abduction from revelation. All of these systems result in a set of principles that is akin to taking an observation and drawing a line on a map from reference points given by these methods.

God doesn't have the map from His standpoint. He's drawing it from His own artistic vision. The reasoning there is something implicit in His Nature. The nature of reality itself. God also must be operating on some kind of "first order logic" which isn't susceptible to the "incompleteness" limitations that arise from our formalized axiomatic reasoning structures. God's reasoning is perfect because it reflects the absolute nature of reality. Not something we can say about our own reasoning.

It's obvious that narrowing the ignorance is a goal that is profitable, however, since we should be able to minimize errors by doing so. Plotting out these unknown areas so we can draw more accurate lines of deductive reasoning by studying the broader canvas is good way of doing that.

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– Xaviermgk 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I was going to say that most of my formal logic comes from reading Sherlock Holmes, but I learned quite young the power of inductive reasoning.

A gal I know said in defense of watching movies (not my favorite thing) "that in the end, we are all reduced to stories."

And I think that's an important part of the picture. There is a "narrative" at play, because stories are used to drive things forward (and I would assume also to keep things interesting). I would assume that if there are other universes, they just may be based around a single consciousness (like a person after they die), and a narrative is created around that consciousness.

I mean, how cool would it be to visit someone else's universe?

Of course, you can do that on Earth too. ;)

I'm pretty sure I've got a pretty handy grasp on that narrative. It's more just seeing it play out at this point.

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– emperorbma 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

As a programmer, I basically have to do logic for a living and it's something I do a bit intuitively now.

It's actually a pretty astute with the movie observation. I can see how it's offputting because on the one hand, there's all the MK-ULTRA/DS propaganda crap especially after 2015. But there's also a lot of hidden messages in various forms of entertainment, even the propagandistic ones, that can be very telling. View the Avengers movies from the Deep State perspective and it has an oddly coherent meaning. Think about the "Dead Zone" mentioning HCQ back in, I guess, 2012 or so. The elites' strength and also its glaring weakness are their ability to hide encoded messages in plain sight.

But where the real fun comes is the deeper stories like Deus Ex. In that case it's a distillation of a message that is clearly against the "ruling powers" and can convey a lot of good truth to someone who can understand its underlying meanings. There's some rather interesting exploration of the ideas about alternate worlds. Western media kind of touches on it a little but for some reason it's really popular in Japan. For some reason they've managed to be a lot less facile than the West about deep topics of philosophy like that.

Anyway, narratives are clearly critical. In truth there's a kaleidoscope of narratives. Even logic itself is a bit of one; which is what the "Left" preys upon to attack the principle of Logos in their ignorance and envy. But, to wit:

Men in their arrogance claim to understand the nature of creation, and devise elaborate theories to describe its behavior. But always they discover in the end that God was quite a bit more clever than they thought - Sister Miriam Godwinsonn, "We must Dissent"; Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

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