I just flew from the US to Japan without crossing Europe. If the earth isn’t round, Based on every model you have, How is that possible ?
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Wow, thank you for the thorough response man. I will certainly have to look more into all of that but on the surface, unless you are a top tier bull-shitter, it sounds like you know your stuff.
I personally know jack about those reactions and technical factors in controlled demolition but it was an attractive theory along with the support of the Fairbanks study and the claims saying the parameters for the 9/11 commission report have never been able to be duplicated in any independent studies attempting to recreate the event.
Some things I would be curious about your take on in order to attempt to discredit the Zeitgeist movie further if you don't mind taking a crack? Because it sounds like you are knowledgeable and level headed and you're the first person I've encounter who might have facts/ sound theories to back it up.
The basement workers claims of getting blown to shit in the lower levels of the building like a bomb went off. People dying, getting thrown to the ceiling, wall, etc.
The images of the perfectly angled cuts in the supporting beams.
The "rivers" of molten steel within the rubble that looked like a foundry according to the firefighters.
4 The clearly scripted phony interviews with talking points built in given by "witnesses" with those handlers standing behind them.
Reports of tower 7 collapsing before it even happened
Tower 7 collapsing perfectly like a controlled demo via "debris that started a fire".
The free fall speeds that don't support the pancake style collapse (the top layers failing and at least encountering some interference to slow the collapse)
Sure man, not a problem, and i really appreciate your willingness to consider alternate opinions... most people just attack me for not buying the official conspiracy theory.
i'd have to see those reports, and when it happened to weigh in on A: if i believe them and B: what could have caused the phenomenon. if this happened during the collapse as people were running, it could have something to do with the pressure pushing down the central core... but if thats the case i'd believe them a lot less... anyone in the building during the collapse wouldn't have much chance to get out alive to give that statement.
i'd need to see those cuts. I've never seen them but if i did i'd most likely be able to tell what caused them. if it's thermatic melt or the result of a shaped/cutting charge there would be obvious signs on the back of the cut. either splash out/slag or a curling from the force of the charge's "knife" blowing out the back.
It could also be a stress break/tear but that would show it's own signs of warping/deflection at the edges of the fracture. metal doesn't break cleanly like a piece of peanut brittle... it should have tell tale signs on it for whatever caused it.
Link and I can say more.
If you remember it took them months to dig down to the bottom of that hole, as it was packed solid with concrete rubble, twisted beams, and mangled rebar. there could not possibly have been firefighters at the bottom of that bathtub to witness the pool of molten metal... and as i said above there's no chance in hell that solidified puddle wouldn't have been photographed and video'ed as they were craning it out of the hole. it would have been a huge deal and it would probably be part of one of those cheesy memorials somewhere in the country.
But again i'd need to see the video you're talking about, without seeing it thats the only way i can explain that phenomenon without agreeing they were being coached.
It was doomed and they all knew it.
That is actually the source of the "pull it" quote. the fire cheif was saying "pull all the crews out of the building" not "pull down a giant skyscraper in the middle of downtown Manhattan"... fire chiefs have some clout but nobody's public service sector job allows them to writes checks that big.
Eventually you reach a point where the beam can't withstand the pressure anymore and the i beam fails/bends.
Ever see a steel cable snap? it'll cut you in half if you get in the way... thats a few thousands pounds of force doing that...
Now imagine a few thousand tons.
Now imagine over a million.
Building foundations aren't designed to "catch" a million tons of building falling down onto them...
Thats a fuck ton of mass to stop once it starts moving.
Inertia is a real mother fucker when you're dealing with that much weight.
So it would look EXACTLY like a freefall, because it was. If you were falling from an airplane and hit a bird... would you notice a reduction in speed?
Thanks a lot for the response. I always think it's best to hear ALL arguments with a healthy dose of skepticism, even the ones you think to be factual. Had a high school teacher who preached "don't take my word for it, not your parents, not Fox News, not CNN... etc, read everything, do your own research, try to get as close to the SOURCE as possible, and make up you own mind.". Everyone needs their own assumptions and perspectives to be challenged and doing so in a constructive, open, and uncensored way is the only route to the truth.
So thanks for engaging. To be honest, all of that "evidence" I was pointing out here came from the movie Zeitgeist and the raw footage they included (the pictures of the beams cut, very shady "scripted" looking interviews, firefighters describing the "foundry" of molten steel, the basement workers describing the explosions far prior to the actual collapse).
Maybe you could rewatch that chapter of the movie if you wanted a refresher on what I'm referring to. In the meantime, I'll see if I could find any raw footage or images myself. The way the movie presented the "facts" left no doubt in my mind that this was not something that could be accomplished by a group of self-trained terrorists without a lot of inside (gov alphabet agencies) help. Too many "coincidences" and lack of transparency.
This is what the real people in charge do though, chum/muddy the waters and push and pull different narratives to the point that no one is ever able to distinguish fact from fiction. A very scary thought. That's why I think it's important to keep questioning everything and not be complacent in accepting anything as fact.
the issue i have with movies like zeitgeist and loose change is they start out trying to prove their point, and in the process they manipulate evidence with edits and narrative injection to build their case.
worst of all they intentionally ignore all the contrary evidence that doesn't fit their assumptions so you're left with only seeing what they want you to see, and only thinking about it the way they want you to.
there are many valid legit questions left unanswered about 9/11 but someone decided a long time ago that the best way to get people to stop asking those real questions is to throw them a bone to gnaw on to distract them.
"controlled demo" is a mcguffin. it's a red herring.
we should be asking why the government lied to us about shooting down the 4th plane... instead we spend all our time debating something that didn't happen which was designed to invalidate any discussions into the events of that day.