for starters... there is zero proof paddock was dead before the shooting. thats a bold claim and i'm gonna need some sort of source on that that isn't ridiculous.
next, the window was clearly blown out, you can see muzzleflash coming from the room. unless you're now suggesting that was just a reflection from the top secret stealth black helicopters contracted to carry out this imaginary hit.
the police were talking about one of the rooms, he had setup in multiple rooms.
the sound of the gunfire is EXACTLY what a bumpfire sounds like, you can hear the bump stock causing the misfires. not sure if you've ever shot a gun with a bump stock but it's not some magical device that instantly converts the gun into a full auto, it's just a cheap way to accomplish rapid fire that requires the shooter to push the gun away from the shooter... essentially turning the shooters arm into a spring that pushes the shooters trigger finger into the trigger.
it sounds NOTHING like a full auto weapon, you can hear multiple different weapons being used, and you can hear the guns jam before he switches to the next gun.
the firing pattern is so sporadic and of different tones you can hear the difference within the same clips. he had a bunch of different guns and was running rounds where he would load them all, dump them all, then reload them all and start again... thats why there were such long pauses at times.
you can hear short pauses while he's switching guns, then a long pause while he's reloading all of them.
there is hallway cam footage of him taking tons of luggage carts up to his room... cart after cart of guns and ammo.
there are pics of the hotel room showing all the guns and spent shell casings...
i just can't imagine anyone thinking the fire came from automatic weapons, and especially from super secret black helicopters...
there would have been casings raining down on the city from the helicopters and would have been found by the public... it would have been all over social media.
lastly, and i don't know why i'm even typing this because it's so damn obvious... but if you have a crew of helicopter assassins... why wouldn't they just stay in the air over the princes hotel, wait for the guy to leave, then just unload on the caravan from the air. there's zero chance in hell the caravan can outrun a helicopter, it would be fish in a barrel.
And look at real world examples of a bumpstock vs an m240. The vegas shooting 100% was NOT a bumpstock... it 100% was an m240 machine gun https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXe9dk77bk
Yeah he had guns, because he was a black market gun seller, or there to arm whoever...the news was right when they said "his hotel room looked like a gun store " well DUH, BECAUSE IT WAS...
And it's very easy to scatter a bag if spent casings. Even easier to collect your brass from the m240 machine guns, hence no casings between the hotels, why would a chopper gun team be so sloppy as to eject all their casings????
Not a single thing of the Official Narrative makes a LICK of sense, and they had to keep changing the official story as more and more evidence came out against it, or made no sense.
Paddocks GF with their fed connections, she disappearing, the "security guard " who wasnt a licensed guard, who vanished to mexico and then only did ONE interview with ellen... it's all bullshit. Dont believe the "news"....
i haven't watched "TV" in over a decade and i'm sure as fuck not a "paid poster". Hate to break it to you but you aren't the arbiter of truth and people aren't mockingbird media just because someone doesn't drink your koolaid.
i'll keep looking for vids online of the muzzleflash coming from the room, i gotta be honest i just spent 10 minutes looking and couldn't find any but i remember seeing them. now all you find when you search is the news reports from that day, or people filming that blinking light on one of the lower floors... like 5-10 floors up vid taken from the taxi. youtube search is fucking dogshit lately they only show news station reports.
anyway here's one guy making a vid claiming to see flashes from the other hotel but what he's seeing is the plane flying past in the background... you can see the plane moving from left to right and he's only focusing on the moment just before the plane passes behind the second hotel...
people in the crowd saying at 7min in "he's shooting from the window"
i tend to trust people who were there more than i trust armchair quarterbacking 4 years later on a conspiracy board.
no offense...
anyway I own bumpstocks, so don't tell me to "go see real world examples" i've shot them, they are just a toy and they are pretty much worthless in a firefight because they cause malfunctions all the time. i bought 5 before they got banned, installed 1, took it off after a while and put it back in it's bag because it was just gay.
if you LISTEN to the shooting you can hear the gun firing at differing rates between rounds. a fully automatic weapon doesn't do that, it's like a sewing machine, it's got perfect cadence between shots. with full auto there are no peaks and valleys of inconsistency like you get with a bumpstock.
...like you hear during the vegas shooting
sometimes you can rattle off an entire mag, sometimes you get 5 or 6 rounds off before a malfunction.
thats why bumpstocks are a joke.
here's a vid where you can clearly hear the inconsistencies in rate of fire
if your theory was correct you wouldn't get that, you'd get that consistent rate of fire during the entire shooting. you can't just take one segment of the shooting that has the rate of fire you want to fit your theory, then reject all the parts of the shooting that don't have that fire rate.
also LOL @ that video of yours claiming a bumpstock has a consistent rate of fire of 800 rounds per minute... again it all depends on how hard you're pulling the gun into your finger, the recoil of the gun (weight of gun, grains/round), and the type of gun and stock being used... some bump stocks had better springs than others, some had a longer "stroke" (length of travel) on the spring stock...
again, if this was a fully automatic weapon it would have a consistent rate of fire in all salvos, not just one or two selectively edited into a video overlay for a comparison to fit a narrative.
as far as the spent brass... a chopper gunner has the gun hanging out over the edge of the floor, usually mounted, allowing the door gunner to shoot downward without hitting the helicopter if he needs to. they aren't going to bother bagging spent casings if they are doing something high profile like this. if you've got big enough balls to unload belts of full auto from a chopper hovering over one of the busiest cities in the country you aren't going to give two squirts of piss about your brass falling down on people below. IMO it's just ludicrous to think these shots came from a helicopter when you've got all the evidence you need that the rate of fire wasn't consistent.
also there's a reason you never hear 200 rounds in a row... the most you hear is 30, most of the time though you keep hearing 5-10 round volleys (thats his gay bump stocks fucking up).
if you're going to do what you suggested you would just hold down the fun button into the biggest pile of people until your were out. you wouldn't keep starting and stopping like you hear in the video.
like i said before if you listen to the entire thing you'll hear him switching guns. he dumps a mag, switches, dumps a mag, switches... at times you get long pauses while he reloads and re-racks all the guns to start again.
thats not what dumping belts of full auto sound like.
i'm all for a good conspiracy, but if it can't hold up to simple critique then you aren't doing the community any favors by regurgitating it.
we should all be our own worst critics because thats how you catch people poisoning the well with disinfo.
the easiest way to discredit all conspiracy theories is to inject bombastic nonsense into a controversial topic to get everyone to argue about the validity of the bullshit you made up. it's an old tactic that seems to works quite well here.
i feel exactly the same way about controlled demo of the towers on 9/11. i think it's a bullshit theory planted in the community intentionally to make us all look like blithering retards who aren't to be taken seriously. meanwhile all other legitimate questions get ignored because people are so busy fighting over the shit someone made up to distract people.
automatic machine guns from helicopters is exactly the same thing. it's easy to prove it wasn't either of those things so it makes us all look crazy when they push that narrative and get people to believe it.
meanwhile the real story is this asshole murdered a bunch of trump supporters because the media lied enough to push him over the edge.
just like the asshole that shot up that baseball practice.
but admitting that is not acceptable, because it means admitting that the media is responsible for this shit and they'll never take any responsibility for their actions. this is why we still don't have an answer after 4 years... because the real answer makes the left look bad for lying about trump and throwing gas on the fire they started.
anyway i never heard the shit about his GF, i'll dig into that as well because that could be bullshit too... or it could be true. i'll check it out.... but the security guard is an easy one...
he was an illegal. he was an idiot to go on ellen and he fucked off back across the boarder once the hotel company figured out that they had an illegal alien working for them and it was getting talked about.
so much wrong with this.
for starters... there is zero proof paddock was dead before the shooting. thats a bold claim and i'm gonna need some sort of source on that that isn't ridiculous.
next, the window was clearly blown out, you can see muzzleflash coming from the room. unless you're now suggesting that was just a reflection from the top secret stealth black helicopters contracted to carry out this imaginary hit.
the police were talking about one of the rooms, he had setup in multiple rooms.
the sound of the gunfire is EXACTLY what a bumpfire sounds like, you can hear the bump stock causing the misfires. not sure if you've ever shot a gun with a bump stock but it's not some magical device that instantly converts the gun into a full auto, it's just a cheap way to accomplish rapid fire that requires the shooter to push the gun away from the shooter... essentially turning the shooters arm into a spring that pushes the shooters trigger finger into the trigger.
it sounds NOTHING like a full auto weapon, you can hear multiple different weapons being used, and you can hear the guns jam before he switches to the next gun.
the firing pattern is so sporadic and of different tones you can hear the difference within the same clips. he had a bunch of different guns and was running rounds where he would load them all, dump them all, then reload them all and start again... thats why there were such long pauses at times.
you can hear short pauses while he's switching guns, then a long pause while he's reloading all of them.
there is hallway cam footage of him taking tons of luggage carts up to his room... cart after cart of guns and ammo.
there are pics of the hotel room showing all the guns and spent shell casings...
i just can't imagine anyone thinking the fire came from automatic weapons, and especially from super secret black helicopters...
there would have been casings raining down on the city from the helicopters and would have been found by the public... it would have been all over social media.
lastly, and i don't know why i'm even typing this because it's so damn obvious... but if you have a crew of helicopter assassins... why wouldn't they just stay in the air over the princes hotel, wait for the guy to leave, then just unload on the caravan from the air. there's zero chance in hell the caravan can outrun a helicopter, it would be fish in a barrel.
Eitheryou watch too much CNN, ir are a paid poster to push the Official Narrative...
Those helicopters are well documented, and visible in videos.
Show me this "muzzleflash". Becaue the police bodycam shows the cops saying no windows were broken https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/windows-not-broken-new-body-cam-of-vegas-shooting-raises-even-more-questions/
And look at real world examples of a bumpstock vs an m240. The vegas shooting 100% was NOT a bumpstock... it 100% was an m240 machine gun https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXe9dk77bk
Yeah he had guns, because he was a black market gun seller, or there to arm whoever...the news was right when they said "his hotel room looked like a gun store " well DUH, BECAUSE IT WAS...
And it's very easy to scatter a bag if spent casings. Even easier to collect your brass from the m240 machine guns, hence no casings between the hotels, why would a chopper gun team be so sloppy as to eject all their casings????
Not a single thing of the Official Narrative makes a LICK of sense, and they had to keep changing the official story as more and more evidence came out against it, or made no sense. Paddocks GF with their fed connections, she disappearing, the "security guard " who wasnt a licensed guard, who vanished to mexico and then only did ONE interview with ellen... it's all bullshit. Dont believe the "news"....
i haven't watched "TV" in over a decade and i'm sure as fuck not a "paid poster". Hate to break it to you but you aren't the arbiter of truth and people aren't mockingbird media just because someone doesn't drink your koolaid.
i'll keep looking for vids online of the muzzleflash coming from the room, i gotta be honest i just spent 10 minutes looking and couldn't find any but i remember seeing them. now all you find when you search is the news reports from that day, or people filming that blinking light on one of the lower floors... like 5-10 floors up vid taken from the taxi. youtube search is fucking dogshit lately they only show news station reports.
anyway here's one guy making a vid claiming to see flashes from the other hotel but what he's seeing is the plane flying past in the background... you can see the plane moving from left to right and he's only focusing on the moment just before the plane passes behind the second hotel...
but what his video does show is this: https://youtu.be/lfNbcStlWEU?t=416
people in the crowd saying at 7min in "he's shooting from the window"
i tend to trust people who were there more than i trust armchair quarterbacking 4 years later on a conspiracy board.
no offense...
anyway I own bumpstocks, so don't tell me to "go see real world examples" i've shot them, they are just a toy and they are pretty much worthless in a firefight because they cause malfunctions all the time. i bought 5 before they got banned, installed 1, took it off after a while and put it back in it's bag because it was just gay.
if you LISTEN to the shooting you can hear the gun firing at differing rates between rounds. a fully automatic weapon doesn't do that, it's like a sewing machine, it's got perfect cadence between shots. with full auto there are no peaks and valleys of inconsistency like you get with a bumpstock.
...like you hear during the vegas shooting
sometimes you can rattle off an entire mag, sometimes you get 5 or 6 rounds off before a malfunction.
thats why bumpstocks are a joke.
here's a vid where you can clearly hear the inconsistencies in rate of fire
https://youtu.be/loNtEFy6mAo
if your theory was correct you wouldn't get that, you'd get that consistent rate of fire during the entire shooting. you can't just take one segment of the shooting that has the rate of fire you want to fit your theory, then reject all the parts of the shooting that don't have that fire rate.
also LOL @ that video of yours claiming a bumpstock has a consistent rate of fire of 800 rounds per minute... again it all depends on how hard you're pulling the gun into your finger, the recoil of the gun (weight of gun, grains/round), and the type of gun and stock being used... some bump stocks had better springs than others, some had a longer "stroke" (length of travel) on the spring stock...
again, if this was a fully automatic weapon it would have a consistent rate of fire in all salvos, not just one or two selectively edited into a video overlay for a comparison to fit a narrative.
as far as the spent brass... a chopper gunner has the gun hanging out over the edge of the floor, usually mounted, allowing the door gunner to shoot downward without hitting the helicopter if he needs to. they aren't going to bother bagging spent casings if they are doing something high profile like this. if you've got big enough balls to unload belts of full auto from a chopper hovering over one of the busiest cities in the country you aren't going to give two squirts of piss about your brass falling down on people below. IMO it's just ludicrous to think these shots came from a helicopter when you've got all the evidence you need that the rate of fire wasn't consistent.
also there's a reason you never hear 200 rounds in a row... the most you hear is 30, most of the time though you keep hearing 5-10 round volleys (thats his gay bump stocks fucking up).
if you're going to do what you suggested you would just hold down the fun button into the biggest pile of people until your were out. you wouldn't keep starting and stopping like you hear in the video.
like i said before if you listen to the entire thing you'll hear him switching guns. he dumps a mag, switches, dumps a mag, switches... at times you get long pauses while he reloads and re-racks all the guns to start again.
thats not what dumping belts of full auto sound like.
i'm all for a good conspiracy, but if it can't hold up to simple critique then you aren't doing the community any favors by regurgitating it.
we should all be our own worst critics because thats how you catch people poisoning the well with disinfo.
the easiest way to discredit all conspiracy theories is to inject bombastic nonsense into a controversial topic to get everyone to argue about the validity of the bullshit you made up. it's an old tactic that seems to works quite well here.
i feel exactly the same way about controlled demo of the towers on 9/11. i think it's a bullshit theory planted in the community intentionally to make us all look like blithering retards who aren't to be taken seriously. meanwhile all other legitimate questions get ignored because people are so busy fighting over the shit someone made up to distract people.
automatic machine guns from helicopters is exactly the same thing. it's easy to prove it wasn't either of those things so it makes us all look crazy when they push that narrative and get people to believe it.
meanwhile the real story is this asshole murdered a bunch of trump supporters because the media lied enough to push him over the edge.
just like the asshole that shot up that baseball practice.
but admitting that is not acceptable, because it means admitting that the media is responsible for this shit and they'll never take any responsibility for their actions. this is why we still don't have an answer after 4 years... because the real answer makes the left look bad for lying about trump and throwing gas on the fire they started.
anyway i never heard the shit about his GF, i'll dig into that as well because that could be bullshit too... or it could be true. i'll check it out.... but the security guard is an easy one...
he was an illegal. he was an idiot to go on ellen and he fucked off back across the boarder once the hotel company figured out that they had an illegal alien working for them and it was getting talked about.
EDIT: more video of the inconsistent fire rate due to bumpstocks. https://youtu.be/M8P8FPWhHw4
X2 here's the best i can find, i'll keep looking though https://youtu.be/wdpd2lHCz-U
i swear i saw better vid of the muzzle flash before but it's apparently gone now cause youtube sure as fuck doesn't want me to find it.
oh well, i can't find it so i guess i'm a super secret FBI CIA plant here to discredit real investigations into stealth helicopters and machine guns.