Yeah! I’ve heard the legends of Lief Ericsson and Eric the Red for a while, and found that YT channel a bit less than a year ago and slowly made my way through his (amazing) content with all the downtime last year gave a lot of us. Great reccs all around, only thing I’d take potential issue with is your thoughts on Indians. According to what I’ve been able to understand they lived in harmony with these giants for atleast the vast majority of the time, which is why everywhere the “native” genotype appears there exists a clear influence of the “giants”. What makes you convinced the natives are so violent and that wasn’t just an epi-phenomenon of their entire history and culture being wiped out overnight?
Hmm... so I would add a few bits of context to your comment and ask your thoughts:
All the violence you’re describing is going to be recent, compared to an (at minimum) 130,000 year existence on the continents of NA and SA.
I’m not saying those gruesome and torturous events you describe didn’t take place, they may well have, but two points I’d made for context: other cultures at the same time were equally if not more disgusting in their elaborations on torture. Victorian Europe and flailing dynasties in the East came up with some FUCKED up methods of torture, so if the natives were doing it my point would just be :
a) we have no reason to think these type of events occurred for all people on these continents all the time, only having evidence of their interactions after people sailed here from europe, at which point their entire life was upended by invasion and disease and an erasure of their old ways/knowledge through mass deaths. (I take issue with your claim of more Indians now than before European arrival, excellent estimates at over 100million exist in the universities along with evidence of mass deaths like deserted mega cities)
b) even if it all happened just like you say, and for all of their time on NA and SA, they wouldn’t be unique in that
Why did I write this? Idk can’t we all just get along, acknowledging differences without asserting a supremacy or degeneracy out of ones choosing?
Yeah! I’ve heard the legends of Lief Ericsson and Eric the Red for a while, and found that YT channel a bit less than a year ago and slowly made my way through his (amazing) content with all the downtime last year gave a lot of us. Great reccs all around, only thing I’d take potential issue with is your thoughts on Indians. According to what I’ve been able to understand they lived in harmony with these giants for atleast the vast majority of the time, which is why everywhere the “native” genotype appears there exists a clear influence of the “giants”. What makes you convinced the natives are so violent and that wasn’t just an epi-phenomenon of their entire history and culture being wiped out overnight?
What’s funny is we might have had similar personal experiences, I guess it’s just where we fall on the nature versus nurture debate?
Hmm... so I would add a few bits of context to your comment and ask your thoughts:
All the violence you’re describing is going to be recent, compared to an (at minimum) 130,000 year existence on the continents of NA and SA.
I’m not saying those gruesome and torturous events you describe didn’t take place, they may well have, but two points I’d made for context: other cultures at the same time were equally if not more disgusting in their elaborations on torture. Victorian Europe and flailing dynasties in the East came up with some FUCKED up methods of torture, so if the natives were doing it my point would just be :
a) we have no reason to think these type of events occurred for all people on these continents all the time, only having evidence of their interactions after people sailed here from europe, at which point their entire life was upended by invasion and disease and an erasure of their old ways/knowledge through mass deaths. (I take issue with your claim of more Indians now than before European arrival, excellent estimates at over 100million exist in the universities along with evidence of mass deaths like deserted mega cities)
b) even if it all happened just like you say, and for all of their time on NA and SA, they wouldn’t be unique in that
Why did I write this? Idk can’t we all just get along, acknowledging differences without asserting a supremacy or degeneracy out of ones choosing?