But still there is more. It calls up the indefinite past. When Columbus first sought this continent---when Christ suffered on the cross---when Moses led Israel through the Red-Sea---nay, even, when Adam first came from the hand of his Maker---then as now, Niagara was roaring here. The eyes of that species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara, as ours do now.
Do you have any reason to think the Tartarians were red haired? It seems to be a common trend in the legends of the giants, but I don’t know enough about Tartary and the mud floods to draw any links.
I just started reading The Suppressed History of America, The Murder of Meriwether Lewis and the Mysterious Discoveries of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. It suggests that a great deal of what we think we know about pre-historic America needs to be re-examined. It tells me that the founder of the Smithsonian Institute, James Smithson, never even visited the United States and his motivation for creating the Institute is unclear. It goes on to describe news articles and references of discoveries that were sent to the Smithsonian that afterward vanished. Very intriguing, especially the suggestions of white skinned natives of possible ancient European descent. It mentions giants, too.
Yeah! I’ve heard the legends of Lief Ericsson and Eric the Red for a while, and found that YT channel a bit less than a year ago and slowly made my way through his (amazing) content with all the downtime last year gave a lot of us. Great reccs all around, only thing I’d take potential issue with is your thoughts on Indians. According to what I’ve been able to understand they lived in harmony with these giants for atleast the vast majority of the time, which is why everywhere the “native” genotype appears there exists a clear influence of the “giants”. What makes you convinced the natives are so violent and that wasn’t just an epi-phenomenon of their entire history and culture being wiped out overnight?
Hmm... so I would add a few bits of context to your comment and ask your thoughts:
All the violence you’re describing is going to be recent, compared to an (at minimum) 130,000 year existence on the continents of NA and SA.
I’m not saying those gruesome and torturous events you describe didn’t take place, they may well have, but two points I’d made for context: other cultures at the same time were equally if not more disgusting in their elaborations on torture. Victorian Europe and flailing dynasties in the East came up with some FUCKED up methods of torture, so if the natives were doing it my point would just be :
a) we have no reason to think these type of events occurred for all people on these continents all the time, only having evidence of their interactions after people sailed here from europe, at which point their entire life was upended by invasion and disease and an erasure of their old ways/knowledge through mass deaths. (I take issue with your claim of more Indians now than before European arrival, excellent estimates at over 100million exist in the universities along with evidence of mass deaths like deserted mega cities)
b) even if it all happened just like you say, and for all of their time on NA and SA, they wouldn’t be unique in that
Why did I write this? Idk can’t we all just get along, acknowledging differences without asserting a supremacy or degeneracy out of ones choosing?
I have been so fascinated by this subject for years. In the end it comes down to real archeological findings and science being overlooked to push this agenda. Why or even what that agenda is has always been a mystery to me.
Abe Lincoln on the majesty of Niagara Falls
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg
Do you have any reason to think the Tartarians were red haired? It seems to be a common trend in the legends of the giants, but I don’t know enough about Tartary and the mud floods to draw any links.
I just started reading The Suppressed History of America, The Murder of Meriwether Lewis and the Mysterious Discoveries of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. It suggests that a great deal of what we think we know about pre-historic America needs to be re-examined. It tells me that the founder of the Smithsonian Institute, James Smithson, never even visited the United States and his motivation for creating the Institute is unclear. It goes on to describe news articles and references of discoveries that were sent to the Smithsonian that afterward vanished. Very intriguing, especially the suggestions of white skinned natives of possible ancient European descent. It mentions giants, too.
Wow I’m checking that book out if I find a PDF anywhere I’ll update this comment, sounds really interesting
Yeah! I’ve heard the legends of Lief Ericsson and Eric the Red for a while, and found that YT channel a bit less than a year ago and slowly made my way through his (amazing) content with all the downtime last year gave a lot of us. Great reccs all around, only thing I’d take potential issue with is your thoughts on Indians. According to what I’ve been able to understand they lived in harmony with these giants for atleast the vast majority of the time, which is why everywhere the “native” genotype appears there exists a clear influence of the “giants”. What makes you convinced the natives are so violent and that wasn’t just an epi-phenomenon of their entire history and culture being wiped out overnight?
What’s funny is we might have had similar personal experiences, I guess it’s just where we fall on the nature versus nurture debate?
Hmm... so I would add a few bits of context to your comment and ask your thoughts:
All the violence you’re describing is going to be recent, compared to an (at minimum) 130,000 year existence on the continents of NA and SA.
I’m not saying those gruesome and torturous events you describe didn’t take place, they may well have, but two points I’d made for context: other cultures at the same time were equally if not more disgusting in their elaborations on torture. Victorian Europe and flailing dynasties in the East came up with some FUCKED up methods of torture, so if the natives were doing it my point would just be :
a) we have no reason to think these type of events occurred for all people on these continents all the time, only having evidence of their interactions after people sailed here from europe, at which point their entire life was upended by invasion and disease and an erasure of their old ways/knowledge through mass deaths. (I take issue with your claim of more Indians now than before European arrival, excellent estimates at over 100million exist in the universities along with evidence of mass deaths like deserted mega cities)
b) even if it all happened just like you say, and for all of their time on NA and SA, they wouldn’t be unique in that
Why did I write this? Idk can’t we all just get along, acknowledging differences without asserting a supremacy or degeneracy out of ones choosing?
I have been so fascinated by this subject for years. In the end it comes down to real archeological findings and science being overlooked to push this agenda. Why or even what that agenda is has always been a mystery to me.