In 2016, there were allegations by Hillary supporters of Trump - Russia collusion, and then there was a Special Council investigation, with an unlimited budget, that went on for years, and basically came back empty handed.
When you point out the Mueller Report appears to be a Nothing Burger, they point to the Senate Report, which appears to be another Nothing Burger, with the same baseless, vague allegations.
In 2020, there were allegations by Trump supporters of election irregularities, yet there was no Special Council investigation, no unlimited budget, no real way to present any evidence in any legally meaningful way.
When you point out the election irregularities, they claim there is no evidence, that they are baseless, vague allegations. Basically, it appears to be a Nothing Burger.
So, which is there more evidence for?
Trump-Russia collusion, or 2020 election irregularities ?
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The Russia collusion was pushed for 4 years by the media+ intel agencies and found nothing,
Election fraud claims have been heavily censored by the media and big tech, and fought every step by the courts. Still Senators, Governors and citizens come forward with concerns. My issue is that they wont look into it, but broadcast that they have and there is nothing to see here.
The nail in the coffin for me was when Trumps phone call came out and every mainstream media network in the world jumped on it with exactly the same misleading headline within the hour. I worry they will try to prosecute the team for the same things the public are calling for an investigation of.
I thought Manafort gave GOP polling data to Russians. And there were 200+ contacts from the Trump campaign to Russia. And there was that Trump tower meeting Don Jr admitted to straight up on twitter... And other stuff. And they ended up finding more crimes after, and an awful lot of people lying, and Roger Stone threatening people's dogs and 10 counts of possible obstruction....
But I guess that's nothing.
Neither. Both were baseless, but both respective sides still like to pump them up to drive political support. Total theatre.
I'm curious how much of the "evidence" you actually looked at
I had to read the entire Muller report for a seminar, and I'm aware of at least all election fraud claims that have been brought in court or made under penalty of perjury.
Im suspecting that last part is logistically impossible given the time constraints
You'd be surprised how much lawyers read.
id be surprised if you were a lawyer
Surprise!
prove it
I have a hard time believing that Biden had more votes than Obama, especially when Trump gained millions of votes.
I don't, both candidates benefitted from increased voter registration and mail-in voting. Since 2016, Biden's vote increased by approximately 16 million (compared to Clinton's), and Trump's vote increased by approximately 12 million.