posted ago by axolotl_peyotl ago by axolotl_peyotl +79 / -3

The events of September 11, 2001 evoke the entire range of human emotion. To say that 9/11 is a divisive topic would be quite the understatement, and this couldn't be more evident than when assessing the 9/11 Truth community itself.

Infighting has created an environment where discussing the pros and cons of each theory generally arouses the ire of some faction of the alternative research community.

Memes aside, the official jet fuel/pancake theory is generally considered to be nonsense by 9/11 "truthers".

In the nearly 16 years since the event, the 9/11 truth movement has evolved into four main camps with regards to the mechanism of the murder weapon.

Broadly speaking, these camps can be qualified as follows: a) Standard controlled demolition; b) So-called "nano-thermite"; c) Mini-nukes or other unconventional nuclear weaponry; d) Exotic or "Directed Energy" weaponry.

There's a reason why the debate is so heated, for not only was 9/11 a horrific crime, but establishing the mechanism of the murder weapon is a huge clue. The question of "who did it" is inextricably linked to the questions of "what happened?" and "how was it done?"

Can the various hypotheses of the mechanisms of their collapse be harmonized? Were the same parties involved in the use of these mechanisms? Or do different mechanisms signal the involvement of different groups, perhaps in conflict?

Stepping back for a moment, it's important to consider the many striking parallels between 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination:

  1. They were both used to remake American foreign and domestic policy, especially the normalization of war

  2. They involved clear examples of "security stripping" (which on 9/11 extended to the entire country)

  3. Both events were analyzed by independent investigators who uncovered a vast architecture of conspiracy involving many factional interests, each with the means, motive and opportunity

  4. Both have indications of successful coup d'états

  5. Suspicious financial activity surrounded them, especially on 9/11, indicating prior knowledge

  6. They each involve ominous connections to a sort of nebulous post-war "Fascist International"

  7. The events are surrounded with occult symbolic content, suggesting they were rituals and vast social engineering works

Not only is the MO of the perpetrators essentially the same, the organizational structures behind both are the same, indicating that the "latter event was the logical end of the former."

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, the more prevalent theory that was being formulated was the "let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP) hypothesis. The idea was that the US government knew of the operation in advance, then used it to project military power into the Middle East and enact draconian legislation.

Over time, increasing evidence led to the rise of another theory, the "made it happen on purpose" (MIHOP) hypothesis. This theory held that at the first level of the op were the terrorists, who were simply patsies used by a second level, which could potentially involve rogue elements within the American military and intelligence agencies.

For example, numerous military drills were taking place on 9/11 that involved hijacked airliners being used for attacks on American targets. To say this unfortunate timing led to increased confusion on that day is a vast understatement, and proponents of the MIHOP hypothesis note that the probability that the terrorists planned it that way was vanishingly small without some connection to a rogue network in the American national security structure.

Many contenders have been suggested for this rogue network, notably the Project for a New American Century, which had determined that a "new Pearl Harbor" (a term later used by George W. Bush) would be needed to galvanize public opinion for a prolonged presence in the Middle East.

The Late Michael Ruppert viewed 9/11 as "the most significant event in human history: the end of the age of oil", and many researchers agree that oil was a significant geopolitical motivation behind the attack.

Author Laurent Guyenot takes it further by suggesting that 9/11 was about more than just oil and terrorism, it was a pretext for the American militarization of the planet. David Ray Griffin notes the dramatic change in Presidential rhetoric after the attack: it had become a metaphysical conflict that was "a monumental struggle of Good versus Evil."

Peter Levenda argues that 9/11 functions as the sanctioning event for state sponsored paranoia:

The citizens are not allowed to become paranoid unless it is at government direction and sanction. Individual cases of paranoia are frowned upon. The state tells us that if we are not paranoid the way it is paranoid--and about the same things--it's because we don't have all the facts...the logical conclusion of all this paranoia is suspicion of the state apparatus itself.

For Levenda and other researchers like S.K. Bain, 9/11 was a ceremonial magical ritual sacrifice of massive scale, and can be viewed as a grimoire for magical operations.

In between the extremes of these interpretations--9/11 for oil and 9/11 as ritual magical cosmological struggle of good vs. evil--the attack was also was a financial crime of high order. E.P. Heidner suggests that 9/11 was meant to cover up a vast fraudulent financial system.

When taken at face value, these theories imply 9/11 was more than a terrorist false-flag op. It was a multi-layered op which accomplished several objectives at once by those with detailed inside financial, political and occult knowledge.

The Third Level

Webster Griffin Tarpely was among the first to suggest that a possible third layer was involved that day, beyond the "rogue element" of the LIHOP and MIHOP scenarios.

For Tarpley, the MIHOP hypothesis "represents the analytical point of view which sees the events of 9/11 as a deliberate provocation manufactured by an outlaw network of high officials infesting the military and security apparatus of the US and Great Britain, a network ultimately dominated by Wall Street and City of London financiers."

Although a natural development of the 9/11 Truth movement, after a few years the LIHOP hypothesis became increasingly at war with masses of evidence, as it simply couldn't address the absence of air defense for one hour and forty-five minutes, nor the incredible destruction of the towers.

Even the Bush-Cheney MIHOP position is mostly untenable, as although they may have had limited knowledge or even a planning role, they likely weren't involved at the top of even level two.

Tarpley and others believe 9/11 was a coup d'état, a false flag event of state-sponsored synthetic terror designed to unleash the clash of civilizations:

The goal was to shock the entire US political system and the public in general out of their inertia of normal everyday life into a kind of war psychosis and paranoid obsession with phantom threats agreeable to the outlook of the neocon faction.

Joseph P. Farrell speculates that this third layer is entirely fascist, and international in scope. The well-documented connection of various intelligence agencies (ie the CIA, KGB, GRU) to international criminal undergrounds and their trafficking networks allows agencies a significant source of income free from oversight for covert ops and black projects, and it also provides them with a means of monitoring those criminal organizations and in turn providing them with an independent internationally-extensive source of intelligence.

IOW, post-WII, the Fascist and Nazi elites were connected with these underground criminal organizations, and liaised with the similarly-minded rogue elements within various nations' deep states. This certainly included the American financial and business interests that shared the same basic Fascist ideology.

For both parties, this was a post-war marriage of convenience, and from that point of view, 9/11 may have been the announcement of a divorce.

The detailed planning of 9/11 had to have come at some point from within the American national security and military structure (level 2). Tarpley highlights the significant number of wargaming exercises and drills occurring that day and how the cover of these drills provided confusion in the command and control structure.

Global Guardian was one such drill that involved all of America's strategic nuclear and thermonuclear arsenal: ICBMs, SLBMs, nuclear bombers, and the "Doomsday/Night Watch/Looking Glass flying command posts."

It also involved airbases that house hydrogen bombs, including Barksdale in Louisiana and Offut in Omaha, Nebraska. As it happens, President Bush flew to both bases on 9/11 after leaving Florida.

Tarpley notes that on 9/11 at Offut were some interesting characters, including Warren Buffet and General Brent Scowcroft...a potential "Committee of Public Safety". This group converged at the command HQ of US strategic nuclear forces as a potential element of a coup-d'état, necessitating that Bush be personally present to reassert control over America's nuclear forces:

Thus, on the morning of 9/11, before a single hijacking had been reported, the US had assumed a strategic nuclear posture comparable to that observed during the Cuban missile crisis: B-1 and B-52 bombers were in the air; ballistic missile submarines were at their launch points, presumably near Russia and possibly China, and land-based ICBMs were ready for launch.

The air defenses of North America were also on high alert, both in terms of interceptor aircraft and space assets. Everything, in short, was ready for a nuclear first strike like the neocons have talked so much about in recent years. All of this was observed in real time from Moscow by General Leonid Ivashov and his colleagues of the Russian General Staff.

It is highly significant that Bush's 9/11 flight itinerary included both Barksdale and Offut, two US nuclear command centers which were part of Global Guardian. Global Guardian was a massive exercise in nuclear blackmail.

But how does this constitute a coup d'état? And why would Bush need to have reasserted control over the nuclear command structure by his personal presence at Barksdale and Offut?

Tarpley also describes how the Global Guardian Computer Network Attack exercise that occurred on 9/11 was designed to simulate a cyber attack on STRATCOM's computer network command control structure by using denial of service attacks and other means.

A bad insider could easily have flipped the drill to "live" status by being a plant or mole for "some other organization" and thus missiles might actually have been launched. Here was the invisible government's back door to worldwide thermonuclear escalation, if that had been necessary, on 9/11.

This suggests a three-tiered op, with the deepest layer penetrating the second, and threatening it with blackmail by compromising the command and control structure.

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ghost_of_aswartz 4 points ago +5 / -1

Why the hell would anyone waste their time reading fiction anymore? Our reality is literally the most interesting spy novel that ever was.

axolotl_peyotl [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0


For Tarpley, 9/11 was a coup d'état with Global Guardian as its effective instrument of cover, a surrender of the Bush White House to the coup planners that:

...owed much to the fear that the coup faction were extremists capable of unleashing nuclear war. Here is a portal through which the rogue network could have launched nuclear missiles without the help of Bush. The targets for such missiles could have been Arab or Islamic capitals, if Bush had refused to initiate the war of civilizations in conventional form by attacking Afghanistan. The target could also have been China or Russia.

We must never lose sight of the Bush-Putin telephone call on 9/11, which was the central diplomatic and strategic event of the day, even though most 9/11 books do not even mention it. In that telephone call, Bush in effect delivered an ultimatum that the US was determined to seize Afghanistan...plus bases in former Soviet central Asia.

Tarpley thinks Putin agreed, partly because he knew the US would fail in Afghanistan, and that such a large effort would ultimately sap America's strength.

Bush's own statements, as well as statements from his staff, further suggested a coup attempt by level three against level two on 9/11.

On September 12 and 13, Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, indicated that the Secret Service had received credible threats on 9/11 from the attackers, and indicated that the White House and Air Force One were also targets.

The New York Times reported them as credible because they had been accompanied by the use of transmission and identification codes unique to the presidency itself. According to researcher Thierry Meyssan:

The attackers also had the codes of the DEA, the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), Air Force Intelligence (AFI), Army Intelligence (AI), Naval Intelligence (NI), the Marine Corps Intelligence (MCI) and the intelligence services of the State Department and the Department of Energy.

Each of those codes is known by only a very small group of officials. No one is authorized to possess several of them. Also, to accept that the attackers were in possession of them supposes either that there exists a method of cracking the codes, or that moles have infiltrated each of these intelligence bodies.

Technically, it appears to be possible to reconstitute the codes of the American agencies by means of the software, PROMIS, that served to create them.

Farrell expands on this narrative:

It is crucial to note (and to remember) that some of the codes the attackers allegedly knew were those of the super-secret National Reconnaissance Office, the center coordinating all of America's spy satellites, and the center coordinating their reconnaissance data.

To Meyssan, the use of the codes to establish the attacker's credibility and capability meant that the American state, and more importantly, the highest and deepest levels of its national security and military establishment, was penetrated by traitors and moles.

By calling the White House they were blackmailing the US government, and access to those codes could help them usurp the authority of the POTUS, and conceivably flip the Global Guardian drill to live status.

The only means allowing Bush to retain control of the military was to physically hold the HQ of the US Strategic Command, at Offut, and to personally issue orders and counter-orders from there.

After reading My Pet Goat in Sarasota, Florida, Bush made this statement: "This is a difficult moment for America. I, unfortunately, will be going back to Washington after my remarks...two airplanes have crashed into the WTC in an apparent terrorist attack on our country."

Tarpley observes that the crucial remark is the reference to an "apparent" terrorist attack. Also of note is that Bush explicitly stated he would be returning to Washington after his remarks. At some point after this statement, the threat became clearer and he was diverted to Barksdale and then Offut. The Secret Service learned of a threat against Air Force One after leaving the school, suggesting the use of classified presidential codes to convey this threat.

Then, at around 9:42 AM, ABC broadcast "live images of a fire that had broken out in the White House annex, the Old Executive Office Building, home to a number of key offices of the executive, including that of the VP."

According to Meyssan, "no information has ever leaked out concerning the origin of the blaze, or its exact scale" as ABC had merely showed "a fixed shot of plumes of black smoke escaping the building."

Approximately 15 minutes later, Cheney was taken by the Secret Service and escorted to the White House situation room, while sharpshooters "armed with rocket launchers" were deployed around the now evacuated White House complex.

According to Meyssan, these troops were "capable of repelling an assault by airborne troops. In short, they were facing a threat of a very different nature to that later described by Vice President Cheney."

Farrell extrapolates further: "At that moment, the threat was not terrorism; it was something else entirely."

When Air Force One landed at Barksdale, Bush made another statement before proceeding to Offut. In addition to attempting to reassure the American people, Bush notably stated:

We have taken the necessary security precautions to continue the functions of your government...The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake: we will show the world that we will pass this test. God bless.

Meyssan, Tarpley and Farrell all agree that it's very notable that "there is not a single mention of terrorism in this speech, but only of a "test," and Bush's words could therefore just as easily refer to an internal revolt, coup, or military conflict, as to terrorism. Similarly, a terror threat, no matter how big or dire, is unlikely to provoke the statement that indicates Continuity of Government operations were begun."

Meyssan continues:

In such a context, one can interpret in two different ways the activation of the Continuity of Government (CoG) procedure. The simplest explanation is to consider the need to protect the President and other political leaders from the actions of traitors capable of starting a fire in the Old Executive Building and stealing the secret codes of both the Presidency and the intelligence agencies. One might also consider whether, on the contrary, the CoG plan was put into effect not to protect political leaders from traitors, but was initiated by the traitors themselves to isolate those leaders.

The account given by Vice President Dick Cheney is truly strange. He claims that men from the Secret Service seized him in his office and bundled him into the White House bunker without receiving his consent. He appeared to suggest that the same was true for the principal members of the government and Congress. And what else is an operation where the secret services take elected officials and put them in bunkers "for their own security", if not a coup d'état, or at least a palace coup?

Farrell speculates that the government in Washington had been seized by the coup, placing its key members under "protection," leaving the President to attempt to reassert control over the strategic command structure of the military by his personal presence at its headquarters, forestalling a potential nuclear conflict, by surrendering to the demands of the attacks.

In the scenario where Bush and Cheney and other elements of the government knew about 9/11, and even helped plan aspects of it, the third level now starts to reveal itself, for "Bush and the federal government are then reacting to an operation they know has gone wrong, and that has been penetrated or coopted by someone else."

A few months later, Bush possibly alluded to these others "players" in his famous "axis of evil" State of the Union address. The fascist connotations of that phrase should not be overlooked.

Another example of this rhetoric, noted by researcher Daniel Hopsicker, was when British PM Tony Blair referred to Al Qaeda as a "terrorist organization with ties to a global network."

That made sense. The idea that Mohamed Atta and his henchmen needed help from an international organization while they were in the US was easy to understand. But what kind of global network. Blair didn't say. Blair's "global network" remained elusive, unnamed, shadowy, and undefined. Several weeks later the FBI denied that this global network existed, and proposed instead a "lone Cadre Theory" which became the operative assumption in their investigation.

Farrell, who has extensively researched the "Fascist International" and the assimilation of the post-war Nazi and Fascist ideologies into the Western intelligence apparatus, and who also believes that some form of exotic energy was used to destroy the towers, wrote the following in a 2008 letter to researcher Richard Hoagland:

So we are left with some version of the Nazi International extra-territorial state with an all but proven track record of the postwar investigation of precisely the technologies to bring down the Towers. This rationalizes the rather odd signs of "panic" that "our" elite has shown since 9/11, for consider the almost frenzied rush into Afghanistan and Iraq (whose ultimate purpose involved much more than oil).

Realizing that they were faced with an extra-territorial state with possession of extraordinarily sophisticated "scalar-torsion" technology that had been successfully weaponized, they launched a 'war on terror' with radical Islam as the fall guy, when in fact, the real target is something completely different and much more frightening.

The behavior of the financial elite during the bailout crisis is another signal that someone has the gun to their heads; they acted like people being blackmailed by some hidden "protection racket" by insisting on "no oversight" back in 2008. The only people in the historical record that wielded such financial and technological clout that I can think of were the postwar Nazis.

Farrell highlights the strange similarities between this perceived reality and the James Bond film "You Only Live Twice," which shouldn't be dismissed entirely as fiction as it's a fairly prevalent theory that Ian Fleming was "leaking" information under the guise of fiction.

In that film, we find:

  1. An international conspiracy that is extra-territorial, called SPECTRE

  2. A network with a secret space program which it uses to interfere with Russian and American space launches and to bring the two nations to the brink of war

  3. A society with a heavy presence of Japanese criminal underground

  4. The society is headed by an obviously German fellow (played by an actor who Farrell notes is "almost Martin Bormann-esque in appearance")

axolotl_peyotl [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Farrell continues:

So my "op within an op within an op" scenario is basically that someone, with probably access to hidden space technologies, and with all but certain access to weaponized versions of "scalar-torsion technologies," brought the Twin Towers down.

That "someone" is some sort of rogue extra-territorial organization, with deep and historical connections to the radical Islamic underworld. The message was sent: "we know your game...we can literally turn your centers and instrumentalities of power to dust before your very eyes. We are deeply penetrated into your own covert agencies and plans, and the game is now afoot."

Consider also the Masonic symbolism of what was struck in that way: the Twin Towers, the twin Masonic pillars of Jachin and Boaz, sitting in the heart of the Anglo-American elite's financial district...The Muslims do not have access to such technologies, whereas the Nazis were investigating them with a vengeance since at least 1933!

This Fascist International had deep post-war ties with rogue elements of the similarly fascist mindset in the American financial and intelligence Deep State, a group initially represented by Allen and John Foster Dulles, John McCloy, and others of the "Sullivan and Cromwell crowd."

Although many 9/11 researchers tend to dismiss or at least avoid these possibilities and discussions, others have no hesitation in describing Tony Blair's "global network" as a Fascist network, centered in London and New York.

It is therefore not a great leap of the imagination to state that this network also has centers in Frankfurt, and that some of its historical and technological roots lie in Nazism. This third layer exposes itself in a variety of clues, not the least of which are those clues which suggest exotic modalities of the Twin Towers' destruction, be that "nano-thermite," "mini-nukes," or exotic "energy weapons."

Viewed in this way, such an approach to 9/11 is an attempt to view the event from the perspective of Richard Dolan's idea of a "breakaway civilization" that secretly emerged over the decades since WWII, a civilization that emerged because of its decades' long access to secret funds, a great deal of which came from the exploitation of Axis loot, and that emerged because of its use of that vast war chest to fund the secret development of various exotic technologies.

Such an approach is not meant to delegitimize the efforts of those 9/11 researchers who stick to "nuts and bolts" and who do not consciously attempt to integrate their speculations about the architecture of the conspiracy into such a wide historical and interpretive context.

It is perhaps time to reconsider these clues within a much larger technological and historical context, for that context leads us to UFOs, to the black projects world, to the national security structure and Mr. Dolan's breakaway civilization hypothesis, and to that post-war extra-territorial Nazi organization, with its own deep ties to the criminal underworld, drug trafficking, and, of course, to Islamic radicalism and terrorism.

Like all Mafias, it has its factions, and like all Mafias, its alliances are always and only of convenience. It can does go to war with itself.

Farrell and others have consistently argued that the goals of this post-war Fascist International was to destabilize Anglo-American petroleum interests in the Middle East, and that the war on terror might be a convenient front for a war against this Fascist International, "connected as it was and is to Islamic terrorist groups."

It's time for the interpretive net to be cast much wider, as the Fascist devil is in the details.

As for the high financial weirdness surrounding 9/11, PROMIS, and the mechanism of the murder weapon itself, stay tuned...


Hidden Finance, Rogue Networks and Secret Sorcery - Joseph P. Farrell

9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA - Webster Griffin Tarpley

9/11: The Big Lie - Thierry Meyssan

Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil - Michael C. Ruppert

JFK-9/11: 50 Years of Deep State - Laurent Guyénot

The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 as Mass Ritual - S.K. Bain

Collateral Damage: US Covert Operations and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 - E.P. Heidner

Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta and the 9/11 Cover-Up in Florida - Daniel Hopsicker

KiloRomeo 4 points ago +4 / -0

This was quite eye opening. I agree with the three tiers and learned some things in reading. Two things came to mind which affect the involvement of POTUS.

  1. Bush Sr.’s remarks about the NWO
  2. Cheney’s not so secret theory that America needed another Pearl Harbor. These background and ideological factors have always indicated to me their involvement in this third tier. Thoughts?
RyeDaD 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fascinating , so 9/11 the take over , the pandemic the introduction to rhe new system. Explains the facist like control of big tech,media , corp , and govt. Nice. Now wtf are we able to do.

YourMindIsNotYourOwn 1 point ago +1 / -0

9-11 was just a smokescreen for old fashioned controlled demolition.

RyeDaD 1 point ago +1 / -0

Reading about the strange flights bush took. Is there a correlation on the events of 1/6? And the strange 3 day journey trump took to air bases?

TheMoreYouKnowOkay 1 point ago +1 / -0

Broadly speaking, these camps can be qualified as follows: a) Standard controlled demolition; b) So-called "nano-thermite"; c) Mini-nukes or other unconventional nuclear weaponry; d) Exotic or "Directed Energy" weaponry.

A and B really aren't all that far apart. There's also no reason that for blowing up the various buildings they couldn't have used a combination of different kinds of explosives for different sections of the buildings. In fact, that's likely.

C and D on the other hand are really "out there". Nuclear weapons would've had far worse destruction on NYC than occurred. It's also less predictable, and therefore less likely if a government is trying to commit a false flag. An energy weapon is mostly science fiction at this point. Even if it does exist, there really isn't evidence for it here. All the things that people point to in videos that seem puzzling is cleared up if looking at another video of the same event from a different angle. For some of the other weird occurrences, it's more likely explained as the result of a variety of explosive residue. Since everything can be explained with more conventional types of explosives, we really don't need to consider nukes and energy weapons as likely here. It's also probable that these "out there" ideas were started by those trying to make the whole movement look foolish.

axolotl_peyotl [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Read the entire DEW megathread currently pinned and get back to me.

The "nanothermite" theory does nothing to explain the "toasted cars" and 1,000 other data points all detailed in that thread.

TheMoreYouKnowOkay 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not interested in debating 1000 different random pieces of evidence. If you have a top 3 points of interest, which you believe are the strongest factors for the DEW theory, we can limit our discussion to those.

ghost_of_aswartz 1 point ago +2 / -1

/u/axolotl_peyotl: This is fantastic and I'm glad you reposted this because I missed it the first time. Very well done :) :) :) A+++

axolotl_peyotl [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

awesome, glad you enjoyed!!

Here's the original thread from 4/5 years ago.

ghost_of_aswartz 1 point ago +1 / -0

btw I'm a third level guy -- US-UK rogue intel. Kind of a larouche perspective

ghost_of_aswartz 1 point ago +2 / -1

This certainly included the American financial and business interests that shared the same basic Fascist ideology. For both parties, this was a post-war marriage of convenience, and from that point of view, 9/11 may have been the announcement of a divorce.

I'll remind you u/axolotl_peyotl that the name of Osama Bin Ladens operation was "the big wedding"


ghost_of_aswartz 1 point ago +2 / -1

Do you remember when Webster Tarpley was sued by Trump over a false statement about Melania?

I sometimes wonder if that was so that Trump and Tarpley could meet and exchange notes on 9/11 but needed a cover story....

axolotl_peyotl [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

I don't remember that! I'll have to check that out, thanks!