You're boring me. Either provide the abundance of evidence you claim exists or go back to the kids table and shut your mouth. No one takes you seriously.
My mistake, got my religious texts mixed up. My point still stands and this site provides a clear and interesting breakdown of the differing opinions of the time.
The classic "I win because I say so" routine. People like you never get tired of that one. I'm still waiting for you to show me a single piece of evidence that backs up anything you said.
I'm not a leftist and your insistence on adhering to this childish, Tucker Carlson-level binary on underscores the limitations of your intellect. What do you suggest I read?
Another fantasy.
I'll take that as your admission of defeat and you're wise to do so.
There is no such thing as "creating Khazaria" and your compulsion to shoe-horn "devil worship" into this fantasy underscores how absurd it is. I understand why you want this to be true, but it simply isn't.
If the "push to create Khazaria in Ukraine has been ongoing for many decade" then how come you can't provide me with any evidence of that? My mind is open to whatever you think is the most compelling proof of the operation, but I'm not going to accept it as self-evident. Sorry.
It's interesting that you immediately default to calling me a "leftist," a suggestion of a deeply simplistic binary, while in the same breath try to speak condescendingly of a "child's level of understanding." Try to have a little self-awareness. You need to accuse me of supporting Zelenky and the proxy war in Russia because you quite literally can't fathom nuance in this conversation. I'm also vehemently anti-Zionist. Crazy, huh?
Speaking to one of your, uh..."points," I would say that the goal of creating a Khazarian state is very well within your ability to comprehend...and that's certainly not a compliment to your intellect. You're fixated on a baseless piece of fiction that allows you to comfortably assign heroes and villains to a chaotic world that you very, very obviously don't understand.
Zionism is about Israel. That's where it begins and ends. There is no Jewish interest in "reclaiming" Ukraine.
Of course they were theorizing; they were uneducated "mystics" with no concrete understanding of astronomy. As I'm sure a scholar such as yourself must know, the Talmud is a series of written debates and disagreements with many different opinions entangled.
Zohar Vayikra 10a unambiguously states that:
The entire world and those upon it, spin round in a circle like a ball,' both those at the bottom of the ball and those at the top. All God's creatures, wherever they live on the different parts of the ball, look different (in color, in their features) because the air is different in each place, but they stand erect as all other human beings.
Therefore there are places in the world where, when some have light, others have darkness; when some have day, others have night. There is a place in the world where the day is long and night is but a short time...
So, to suggest that this idea was held by "most of the Talmudic rabbis" is both false and irrelevant. Scientific matters recorded in the Talmud are not necessarily concrete religious traditions meant to be upheld by future generations, but merely a reflection of the contemporary beliefs of the time. Additionally, like all religious texts, much of the language is couched in metaphor, which leaves it open to a deeper, poetic intepretation.
As for your other irrelevant insinuations, I'm not particularly interested in following those superstitions down into some discursive wormhole.
lol @ everything you just said, honestly.
I'm going to politely assume that you aren't a native English speaker because most of this is borderline unintelligible.
Like I said, words have meaning. A Jew is not "anyone who supports Zionism." I mean, that is objectively false. I'm no fan of Zelensky nor do I support America's proxy war with Russia in any way, but there has never been an "intent to create the new big Israel." This is a work of your imagination based loosely on a remark Zelensky made about his desire to turn Ukraine into a fully-militarized security state.
You seem fixated on this idea of "Khazaria," something I'm going to (again) politely assume you recently learned about. It's a gross misrepresentation of something you clearly don't understand and certainly have no proof of. Once you start getting into the "devil-worshipping" stuff, it's clear that you're borderline retarded. Please don't attempt to condescend to anyone here re: "learning some history" when every word out of your mouth is essentially a sloppy recitation of your paranoid fanfiction.
Gibberish. Words either mean something or they don't. Mitch McConnell isn't Jewish and I highly doubt you could make a coherent case for why war in Ukraine/Russia is a "Jewish agenda."
lol, are you seriously trying to suggest that a few misinformed sages theorizing a flat earth in 500 CE are the force behind the contemporary Flat Earth movement? Please.
There are some rabbinical sources that support a flat earth, though they are few.
Whether or not some sages believed in the geocentric view - the sun revolving around the earth or the heliocentric view - the reverse, we still describe our evenings as “sunset”. Our perspectives are based on our assertions which is decided by looking to the horizon.
It has been noted that since antiquity, the Greeks recognized the heliocentric and not the geocentric view, which was the consensus at the time. However, since the antiquity of its history, the Church knew it was round and the size of its circumference. While most Talmudic rabbis endorsed the heliocentric view, there were some who engaged in the geocentric. Of course, the sun’s position is relative to each standing perceptive.
In Ri of Barcelona’s commentary on Sefer Yetzirah (p. 254a), he quotes Rav Saadia Gaon supporting the theory that the earth is flat. This was a minority (miktzat) opinion. Another was Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi who said the underground streams were cold because the sun traveled beneath the earth at night and that this theory seemed more correct. Some Jews believed the sun traveled above, indicating a more flat earth theory. The Lubavitcher, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, of Chabad wrote in a correspondence to a friend of the nonsensical notion that the sun and earth change positions based on the merits or sins of the Jews. Obviously, this nonsensical notion is ridiculed. Magic, demons, and ghost do not exist. They have never been proven and thus belong to the fabrication of the wild imagination of the mystics to support their emotional needs. Maimonides said that some ancient rabbis were little experts in the realms of science and did not always fully understood how the laws of nature worked (Guide to the Perplexed, III:14). For the rationalist, Gersonides (Ragbag), Maimonides (Rambam), and Ibn Ezra were convinced that the sun did not stand still for Joshua nor did the sun’s shadow move ten degrees backward on Hezekiah’s deathbed.
In summary, a few rabbis in the Talmud believed it was flat and some were unsure. In spite of that, the majority knew it had to be round, which was proven by modern science today.
In what universe is Mitch McConnell Jewish?
Another classic cop-out. Big claim, "tons of evidence" and then the inevitable "do your own research" when asked to substantiate any of the bullshit you spew. The saddest thing about idiots is that most of them don't realize they're idiots. You really epitomize this.