OK, that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is a psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism." Show me the Germar Rudolph or David Irving.

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider here, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism." Show me the Germar Rudolph or David Irving.

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider here, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism." Show me the Germar Rudolph or David Irving.

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism." Show me the Germar Rudolph or David Irving.

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism." Show me the Germar Rudolph or David Irving.

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop probably to discredit investigators, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism."

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism."

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I would even consider, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism."

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA. They had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise. So "NASA is sketchy" is not something I care to even debate, because when it comes to the globe it is totally irrelevant.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth? Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks? People may think I am trolling all the FE people, but this is what I am asking. Show me the Stephen McIntyre or Anthony Watts or Judith Curry for "globe earth skepticism."

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA, they had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise.

OK, I that is fair. I guess to me, everything insinuating there is some massive conspiracy concealing the true shape of the earth is "flat earth adjacent." This would include things like the radius being substantially larger than the value claimed. I took you saying "FE is psyop" to mean that the various influencers are a psyop, but that there is something to the theory.

The reason you (and others) have concluded that FE is a psyop is that the arguments are all wrong. At some point we are confronted with considering the conclusion "there is nothing wrong with the claims about the shape of the earth." Even if there were a conspiracy to promote stupid FE claims to discredit anyone seriously examining geodesy / astronomy / NASA, the "real people investigating this" would still be on the internet and easily findable / sharable. There would be a forum somewhere of all the serious scientists actually disputing the shape of the earth.

I'm not just making this up. Look at "climate denial" for example. There are extraordinarily smart people disputing mainstream climate change. You can read them all over the internet. They have managed to get articles published in Nature to be retracted. That means they are real scientists no matter what the progressive dumbasses say.

Not to mention the ultimate success, which was "holocaust denial."

Has anything like that ever happened in FE or any adjacent group disputing the shape of the earth. Is there a single thing anywhere on the internet that I can read disputing mainstream geodesy / astronomy that even approximates the quality of Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, Codoh, The Holocaust Handbooks?

If there is not, and year after year after year this theory never presents itself, at some point people should consider "maybe physics is right about the shape of the earth." It is crazy to me that this never seems to happen. Also, it is possible that NASA lies about its missions even though the shape of the earth is as claimed. The modern shape of the earth vastly predates NASA, they had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than photographing it and making the measurements a bit more precise.