These things are illustrations, for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery—this is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:
Rejoice, childless woman,
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those.
of the woman who has a husband.
Isaiah 54
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Me: I don't see how the Jews/other of Israel are born from Ishmael..
Where in Romans 2?
I saw this:
God’s Righteous Judgment
Therefore, any one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things. We know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.
Me: Where does it say what you say?
I did see that this also speaks of Noah and so did Isaiah 54:9 and that's interesting to me.
(Edit: Also this: https://communities.win/c/Eschatology/p/17shvp7izd/blessed-will-be-those-servants-t/c)
I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
Then I heard a loud voice from the throne:
Look! God’s dwelling is with humanity,
and He will live with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them.
and be their God.
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Death will no longer exist;
grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer,
because the previous things have passed away.
Me: The children of Christ will be in the city that is to be Holy because the Holy One brings it down to them, just like He did of Himself, that is interesting.
These things are illustrations, for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery—this is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:
Rejoice, childless woman,
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those.
of the woman who has a husband.
Isaiah 54
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Me: I don't see how the Jews/other of Israel are born from Ishmael..
Where in Romans 2?
I saw this:
God’s Righteous Judgment
Therefore, any one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things. We know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.
Me: Where does it say what you say?
I did see that this also speaks of Noah and so did Isaiah 54:9 and that's interesting to me.
I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
Then I heard a loud voice from the throne:
Look! God’s dwelling is with humanity,
and He will live with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them.
and be their God.
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Death will no longer exist;
grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer,
because the previous things have passed away.
Me: The children of Christ will be in the city that is to be Holy because the Holy One brings it down to them, just like He did of Himself, that is interesting.
These things are illustrations, for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery—this is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:
Rejoice, childless woman,
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those.
of the woman who has a husband.
Isaiah 54
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. But what does the Scripture say?
Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman.
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Me: I don't see how the Jews/other of Israel are born from Ishmael..
Where in Romans 2?
I saw this:
God’s Righteous Judgment
Therefore, any one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things. We know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.
Me: Where does it say what you say?
I did see that this also speaks of Noah and so did Isaiah 54:9 and that's interesting to me.
I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
Then I heard a loud voice from the throne:
Look! God’s dwelling is with humanity,
and He will live with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them.
and be their God.
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Death will no longer exist;
grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer,
because the previous things have passed away.
Me: The children of Christ will be in the city that is to be Holy because the Holy One brings it down to them, just like He did of Himself, that is interesting.