I appreciate the Orthodox perspective. I'm sure the 6 uses of "proorizo" have an alternate reading or translation in Orthodoxy that is ultimately compatible, as well as all the sovereignty passages. I haven't learned the lingual net necessary to agree with your uses of the words, will keep trying. I might someday ask for your view of specific patristics on "proorizo" (prehorizoning).

I wasn't intending that God created marred vessels, but in Jeremiah the marring happens (by human freewill) and in Romans the dishonor and wrath is purposed in coordination with human freewill. Add:

Morality presupposes the ability to choose the good over not-good (evil)

Sounds like "able not to sin". If Augustine were interpreted that one is only "able not to sin" by one's own choice and God's choice flowing together as one, that might be the path of resolution. "Able" is another horridly ambiguous word.

I appreciate the Orthodox perspective. I'm sure the 6 uses of "proorizo" have an alternate reading or translation in Orthodoxy that is ultimately compatible, as well as all the sovereignty passages. I haven't learned the lingual net necessary to agree with your uses of the words, will keep trying. I might someday ask for your view of specific patristics on "proorizo" (prehorizoning).

I wasn't intending that God created marred vessels, but in Jeremiah the marring happens (by human freewill) and in Romans the dishonor and wrath is purposed in coordination with human freewill.