How are statistics not more cintific and objective than your lived experience?

Because it depends on the point we're arguing. My initial point was refuting Nazi delusions that they create in order to make themselves feel better about their low status in society.

If the question is "can black people achieve at a high level" my lived experience is going to be the strongest evidence for me. A lived experience is reality itself, not numbers on a screen.

It's like trusting the white lab coat guys during covid (80% being government shills) instead of what you saw yourself. Trusting lived experience can be a great defense against evil.

entire continents and thousands of years

Which I've never refuted. I didn't argue they are on average high achievers. I just don't argue that they can never achieve more, as you seem to. Why would I as a high achiever with African DNA? I couldn't possibly think like that, because I'd be shooting myself in the foot.

Moreover most of human history was thousands of years of not that spectacular achievement. What were the Irish doing during the height of the Egyptian empire? Or during the Roman empire?

What did the streets smell like in most cities during the middle ages? How was the sewage handled? It probably smelled as bad as many third world places today.

When did Europeans start washing their hands during medical procedures? Germ theory was discovered in the 1800s when European doctors were still not washing between handling different patients!

You rightfully note it's not Ham that is cursed but Canaan. The Orthodox interpretation is that this represents the future corruption of Ham’s line. The curse is foreknowledge and not punishment.

Well why should I listen to that? "My church added something not written in the Bible, so I follow it". I am only obligated to consider what the text actually says. And logically speaking I don't know why Noah's curse would a) be binding like it came from God himself b) expand to beyond what is written

It's just assumptions on top of assumptions.

I agree with taking Genesis seriously, but I was focused on the endless genealogy portion. We are not to obsess over that kind of thing or think it confers us favor, as the Jews do.

How are statistics not more cintific and objective than your lived experience?

Because it depends on the point we're arguing. My initial point was refuting Nazi delusions that they create in order to make themselves feel better about their low status in society.

If the question is "can black people achieve at a high level" my lived experience is going to be the strongest evidence for me. A lived experience is reality itself, not numbers on a screen.

It's like trusting the white lab coat guys during covid (80% being government shills) instead of what you saw yourself. Trusting lived experience can be a great defense against evil.

entire continents and thousands of years

Which I've never refuted. I didn't argue they are on average high achievers. I just don't argue that they can never achieve more, as you seem to. Why would I as a high achiever with African DNA? I couldn't possibly think like that, because I'd be shooting myself in the foot.

Moreover most of human history was thousands of years of not that spectacular achievement. What were the Irish doing during the height of the Egyptian empire? Or during the Roman empire?

What did the streets smell like in most cities during the middle ages? How was the sewage handled? It probably smelled as bad as many third world places today.

When did Europeans start washing their hands during medical procedures? Germ theory was discovered in the 1800s when European doctors were still not washing between handling different patients!

You rightfully note it's not Ham that is cursed but Canaan. The Orthodox interpretation is that this represents the future corruption of Ham’s line. The curse is foreknowledge and not punishment.

Well why should I listen to that? "My church just added something not written in the Bible, so I follow it". I am only obligated to consider what the text actually says. And logically speaking I don't know why Noah's curse would a) be binding like it came from God himself b) expand to beyond what is written

It's just assumptions on top of assumptions.

I agree with taking Genesis seriously, but I was focused on the endless genealogy portion. We are not to obsess over that kind of thing or think it confers us favor, as the Jews do.

How are statistics not more cintific and objective than your lived experience?

Because it depends on the point we're arguing. My initial point was refuting Nazi delusions that they create in order to make themselves feel better about their low status in society.

If the question is "can black people achieve at a high level" my lived experience is going to be the strongest evidence for me. A lived experience is reality itself, not numbers on a screen.

It's like trusting the white lab coat guys during covid (80% being government shills) instead of what you saw yourself. Trusting lived experience can be a great defense against evil.

entire continents and thousands of years

Which I've never refuted. I didn't argue they are on average high achievers. I just don't argue that they can never achieve more, as you seem to. Why would I as a high achiever with African DNA? I couldn't possibly think like that, because I'd be shooting myself in the foot.

Moreover most of human history was thousands of years of not that spectacular achievement. What were the Irish doing during the height of the Egyptian empire? Or during the Roman empire?

What did the streets smell like in most cities during the middle ages? How was the sewage handled? It probably smelled as bad as many third world places today.

You rightfully note it's not Ham that is cursed but Canaan. The Orthodox interpretation is that this represents the future corruption of Ham’s line. The curse is foreknowledge and not punishment.

Well why should I listen to that? "My church just added something not written in the Bible, so I follow it". I am only obligated to consider what the text actually says. And logically speaking I don't know why Noah's curse would a) be binding like it came from God himself b) expand to beyond what is written

It's just assumptions on top of assumptions.

I agree with taking Genesis seriously, but I was focused on the endless genealogy portion. We are not to obsess over that kind of thing or think it confers us favor, as the Jews do.

How are statistics not more cintific and objective than your lived experience?

Because it depends on the point we're arguing. My initial point was refuting Nazi delusions that they create in order to make themselves feel better about their low status in society.

If the question is "can black people achieve at a high level" my lived experience is going to be the strongest evidence for me. A lived experience is reality itself, not numbers on a screen.

It's like trusting the white lab coat guys during covid (80% being government shills) instead of what you saw yourself. Trusting lived experience can be a great defense against evil.

entire continents and thousands of years

Which I've never refuted. I didn't argue they are on average high achievers. I just don't argue that they can never achieve more, as you seem to. Would I as a high achiever with African DNA? I couldn't possibly think like that, because I'd be shooting myself in the foot.

Moreover most of human history was thousands of years of not that spectacular achievement. What were the Irish doing during the height of the Egyptian empire? Or during the Roman empire?

What did the streets smell like in most cities during the middle ages? How was the sewage handled? It probably smelled as bad as many third world places today.

You rightfully note it's not Ham that is cursed but Canaan. The Orthodox interpretation is that this represents the future corruption of Ham’s line. The curse is foreknowledge and not punishment.

Well why should I listen to that? "My church just added something not written in the Bible, so I follow it". I am only obligated to consider what the text actually says. And logically speaking I don't know why Noah's curse would a) be binding like it came from God himself b) expand to beyond what is written

It's just assumptions on top of assumptions.

I agree with taking Genesis seriously, but I was focused on the endless genealogy portion. We are not to obsess over that kind of thing or think it confers us favor, as the Jews do.