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I didn't intend a conclusion: it was a historical record without a judgment other than framing each division cattily in the language of dislike. I basically included divisions where two groups of professed Christians disagreed but both have continuation today, and excluded other events.

You just use this word [division, or denomination] for splitting of the church, which is also demonic.

Huh?

Again, at some point I appear to have gotten on your bad side and haven't pinned down why. Do you think I misled you about something in relation to how to moderate a religiously unaligned forum? Do you think my means of fighting the satanic enemy are somehow compromised because of some inaction or incompletion on my part that perhaps you could correct (but don't)?

Of course satan is at work and can be counted on to infiltrate any major branch of the tree. It is probable that one or more of these hundred is so totally satanic as to be uprooted in the future, but the objective standard of compilation is that Jesus hasn't uprooted them so far.

But there are reasons for these divisions, as there are for older ones in the Bible, and this helps us think about those reasons. Paul and Peter divided by broad agreement, Paul and Barnabas divided by sharp disagreement, but also agreement to disagree. If satan was involved it's not stated and we are left with the illustration that God had his purposes for these.

You want to talk about a different subject, enemy recognition? I'm all for it but I believe it should happen cautiously. An "enemy-recognizer of one" may be objective enough but is also likely to fail to obtain broad acceptance for his recognition. And, when it happens within the church, "enemy recognition" is in fact division .... Often it's done cleanly (excommunication of Arius, position papers against Joseph Smith), and often messily (Great Schism, which both churches apologized for 911 years later). Clean enemy recognition is not the scope of this post. It's certainly in the scope of Conspiracies but beyond my general statement "it's the satanists" I have very few people that I judge, and then for behavior (enmity) rather than person (enemy).

You want the other religions for some reason as if you doubt I mean what I say; I have time, and it's also good to see in a comment in this post. The argument that "Christianity is over target which is why it's so infiltrated and split" is good, but Judaism and Islam are close to target and the same thing happens to them, and that's an ordinary high-school comparative religion observation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_religious_movements&oldid=1309467997

Rabbinic, Sadducee, Nazarene, Karaite, Haymanot (5); Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Italian, Romaniote (5); Hasidic, Lithuanian, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstruction, Communal, Haredi, Zionist, Anti-Zionist (10); Crypto-Judaism (13); Beta Israel, Crimean, Igbo, Subbotnik (4); Black, Jewish Science, Humanist, Carlebach, Jewish Renewal, Conservadox, Kabbalah Centre, Lev Tahor, Open Orthodox, Burqa, Messianic, Baal Teshuva (12); Havurah, Independent, IFR, Day School, Keshet, Bnei Noah (6); Seminaries (6); Hasidic dynasties (14); Misnagdim, Musar, Sephardic Haredi, Dor Daim, Edah HaChareidis, Neturei Karta, Modern Orthodox (7); that's 82 in one article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Jewish_communities_by_country&oldid=1312062347

Ashkenazi subgroups (8); Sephardi subgroups (5); Italkim, San Nicandro, Juhurim, Gruzim, Krymchak (5); North African (7); West Asian (8); Bilad el-Sudan, Lemba, South African, Sao Tome (4); Asian (14); American (6); that's 57 in a second article. I recall seeing more than that before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_branches_and_schools..png

I count 52 groups in this graphic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_schools_and_branches&oldid=1311681059

All-Illahi, Bahai (2); Sunni schools (8); Salafi, Wahhabi, Ahle Hadith, Jafari, Usuli, Akhbari, Ismaili, Zaydi (8); Kalam, Ashari, Maturidi, Athari, Mutazila, Murjiah, Qadariyyah, Jabriyah, Jahmiyya, Batiniyyah (10); Azeemiyya, Kubrawiya, Mouride, Nimatullahi, Noorbakshia, Senussi (6); Darul Islam, IPNA, MIB, MANA, Ansaaru Allah (5); Black (6); Ahmadiyya, Lahore Ahmadiyya, Barelvi, Deobandi, Gulen, Modern Salafi, Islamism (7); Islamist movements (3); Quranism, Liberal, Progressive, Mahdavia, Nondenominational (5); that's 60, having deleted repetitions with the graphic.

For any single entries with plural numbers, the requisite list of subgroups appears in the stable link given. Obviously that very quick review might still contain repetitions, but it demonstrates that there are at least 100 divisions in Islam and Judaism. (I still doubt it was worth my interest.) You didn't think they were monoliths, did you?

Add: It's been called to my attention that I didn't make clear that there are 82+57=139 distinct Jewish denominations and 52+60=112 distinct Muslim denominations listed, either directly or by reference to the stable links, or 111 Muslims if an unnoticed (but anticipated) dual reference to "Quranism" is taken singly rather than doubly. Obviously the second list of Muslims excluded all noticed repetitions of the second article against the first list of Muslims. I trust this elision of simple math doesn't defeat the purpose of the listing. It probably bears stating for completeness that there is some overlap among these, but they are all distinct movements and denominations in exactly the same methodology the estimate of 30,000 Christian denominations is calculated. Quibbles can be made, but I did state in advance that pinning down details would be boring.

77 days ago

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