[part 8]

ah you can't do "next to it" cause you got the rock down there..

That's an excellent point and a common misconception about the entire Temple Mount complex.

The reason it's so difficult to just "build next to it" is because the Dome of the Rock is built over the peak of the mountain—the Foundation Stone—and that rock is not just a little stone, it is the exposed bedrock of Mount Moriah.

To clarify your thought:

The "Rock" is Huge: The whole elevated platform is built on and around this original mountain peak. The Foundation Stone inside the Dome of the Rock is not a small relic; it is a large, irregularly shaped outcrop of the mountain's natural bedrock.

Location, Location, Location: Jewish tradition places the Holy of Holies—the absolute center of the Temple—directly on top of or immediately adjacent to that Foundation Stone.

The Geometry Problem: Since the Dome of the Rock is built to enclose and protect that Foundation Stone, any spot "next to" the Dome would likely be outside the traditionally defined area of the original Temple's inner courtyard, or even the Temple building itself.

In short, for the Third Temple to fulfill its religious requirements, the Holy of Holies needs to be on that specific piece of bedrock, and the Dome of the Rock is already there, making a simple "next door" solution seem impossible to many of the movement's proponents.

So what the fuck you gonna do.. sounds like they're "pissy" about trying to build the 3rd temple, where it's pretty big.. so that gold dome can just be in there.. where it is. What's the problem with that again?

That's the ultimate political and religious deadlock. While your idea of building a large Third Temple around the smaller Dome of the Rock seems like a practical compromise, here is the fundamental problem from the perspective of the different religious and activist groups:

The Problem: The Dome is On the Most Sacred Spot The conflict isn't about sharing the Temple Mount plateau; it's about the exact central point of the plateau.

Group/Concept Why the Golden Dome Can't Just Be There Third Temple Activists (Jewish) The Holy of Holies: They believe the Dome of the Rock is sitting directly on the Foundation Stone, which is the site of the Holy of Holies in the original Jewish Temple. The Holy of Holies must be a small, enclosed, empty space where the Ark of the Covenant rested (or would rest). You can't put a massive, sacred Islamic shrine inside the most sacred, restricted area of the Jewish Temple. The Temple architecture itself demands that spot be the altar or the Holy of Holies. Muslim Authorities (Waqf) Sovereignty: They view the entire elevated area (Haram al-Sharif) as an exclusive Islamic holy site. Even if a Jewish Temple were built "next to" the Dome, it would be seen as a grave violation of the status quo and an attempt by Israel to illegally claim and divide the territory. To them, the presence of the Dome and Al-Aqsa Mosque proves the entire area is theirs. Mainstream Orthodox Judaism Ritual Purity: Many mainstream rabbis forbid Jews from even setting foot on the Temple Mount today, precisely because no one is certain of the exact boundaries of the Holy of Holies. They fear accidentally defiling the area where the Holy of Holies stood, which would happen if a massive foreign structure (like the Dome) were incorporated into a rebuilt Temple structure.

Export to Sheets In essence, your idea is blocked by sacred geography (the Dome is on the exact wrong spot for the Holy of Holies) and political sovereignty (no one would permit a Temple complex to be built around or next to the existing shrines). The only way to build the Temple, for the activists, is to clear the site entirely.

well it sounds like the only way is you gotta try and talk to the muslims and say.. hey.. that's the only deal the jews want is to get the fuckin dome outta there and you guys gotta be "chill" about it. Then they can build their 3rd temple.

What you gotta remember here.. is these "noobs" only started their shit in the year 600.. so they're kind of losing there.. Where.. Judaism, the old testament.. they're kind of "right", eh.. where these new guys came along and built their shit on their place. So it's the muslims who are chumps. And they're using the same origins in their bible.. so all you gotta do is talk to them about chilling out and leave the Jews do what they want, for once. lol. They're "right" though, eh.. cause they were there first. lol

That line of thinking gets to the very core of the deep historical and religious claims that make the Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif) the most contested piece of real estate in the world.

You are hitting on the central argument made by Jewish groups pushing for the Third Temple: the claim of precedence and original ownership of the holy site.

Here is a breakdown of the claims and why a simple conversation asking the Muslims to "be chill" is essentially impossible in the current context:

1. The Jewish Claim of Precedence ("We Were There First") The Foundation: The Jewish claim is based on the history of the First Temple (built by Solomon around 960 BCE) and the Second Temple (rebuilt around 516 BCE and destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE). For Judaism, this site is Mount Moriah, where Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Isaac and where the Divine Presence (Shekhinah) resided.

The Argument: Since the two Temples were on that spot for roughly a thousand years before Islam existed, Jewish proponents argue their right to the site and the rebuilding of the Third Temple is pre-eminent and non-negotiable.

2. The Muslim Claim of Sovereignty and Sanctity The Foundation: For Muslims, the site is Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary), and it is the third holiest site in Islam. The Dome of the Rock was completed in 691 CE, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque was also built in the early Islamic period (around 705 CE).

The Argument:

The Night Journey: Muslims revere the site because it is believed to be the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven (the Mi'raj), which is associated with the rock inside the Dome.

Continuous Control: Muslims have maintained continuous religious administration over the site for well over a thousand years (except for the Crusader period). In their view, the Jewish Temples are ancient history, and the site is now and has been, for centuries, an exclusive Islamic sanctuary.

Shared Origin Argument: While Muslims do recognize the prophets of the Hebrew Bible (Abraham, Moses, etc.) as their own prophets, they believe Islam is the final, true, and uncorrupted revelation. They view the entire area as belonging to the universal tradition of Abraham (Haneefiya), which Islam now guards.

The Standoff The core issue is that neither side accepts the historical argument as sufficient reason to abandon their current position:

For the Jews: Giving up the right to rebuild the Temple on the correct spot means giving up a central theological and messianic tenet of their faith.

For the Muslims: Giving up the Dome of the Rock means giving up the third holiest site in their religion and admitting defeat in a millennia-long fight for sovereignty over Jerusalem. It would be viewed as an intolerable humiliation to the entire Islamic world.

Because the claims are rooted in deep faith, history, and national identity, no Muslim leader could "be chill" about removing the Dome of the Rock without facing immense backlash, which is why the situation remains an explosive political deadlock.

[end of conversation.. going to sleep]

Anayzling this later when I got up. It seems like they gotta get the gold dome place outta there. To do that, you'd have to deal with those muslim guys. Explain to them, how.. it's stemming from the same Abrahamic religion. They just gotta get it outta there, what can you do.. maybe move it nearby but they gotta clear out the pad area to rebuild the third temple.

I think they'd get kind of pissy if you told them to just move it to mecca or something. So they'd probably want it nearby where it is. What would get bulldozed then. Maybe get a park or something. I thought about that area by the bus depot on the hill.. that whole cemetery. If you got no room, you could clear all that out and relocate the cemetery. Now you're getting into the, uh.. Poltergeist movie scenario. So that's probably a really bad idea. You'd have to check google earth for an area "nearby". Well, you do have the caverns "under". Not much height though, so probably a no go. Let me check google earth for a park or something and how big this gold dome place is.

Looking at it in google earth.. you've got this gold dome place.. that seems to be called the "temple mount". To the east, like half a kilometer is this "mount of olives" with green area, where people wouldn't have to get kicked out. Move that shit over, and everybody pipes down with the bickering. Then they can move more towards the end times prophecy of checking off stuff on the list. This rebuilding the third temple.

So.. these muslim guys, it's them who's holding up all this. So they're the chumps. Cause the abrahamic religion, the Judaism stuff is part of their religion too, so they gotta chill out. They're just doing what that earlier stuff says. If they keep being "stubborn" and don't get the fuck outta there, you'll never get to the end times prophecy.

Since they're "religious", you gotta do the "service to others", instead of the "service to self", like they're doing. They gotta help out their buddies. For once, just do what the Israel guys are trying to do. Like how about those people in that area there.. where is that in the news all the time.. Gaza strip, I think. The Palestinians. Israel seems all uptight about these guys.. so for once, just do what they fuckin want and they'll quit being pissy. Those guys, I have no clue what the fuck is going on there.. lol.. but at least it's not this gold dome shit, where they gotta be there. So.. the gaza strip shit.. sounds like israel wants that area back, for whatever reason. Just choose some damn land, somewhere else, the size of it. Whatever with those guys though, at least it's not holding up the rebuilding the 3rd temple, you know what I mean. But just get some land somewhere else, even some other fuckin country, if they got that much of a beef about these guys. But they might wanna be by the some water like they were, so that's a bit of a bitch, with all the relocating. I don't know what religion those palestinian guys are, probably muslim. So, talk to some muslim country in the area, by water like they are, and go, hey.. lets just move these guys over there. Like holy fuck with all this shit, eh. Not gonna talk to gemini about this one.. I'm just analyzing the rebuilding the third temple. Seems pretty "basic" about getting those guys the fuck outta there and just relocating them.

[conversation over]

[part 8]

ah you can't do "next to it" cause you got the rock down there..

That's an excellent point and a common misconception about the entire Temple Mount complex.

The reason it's so difficult to just "build next to it" is because the Dome of the Rock is built over the peak of the mountain—the Foundation Stone—and that rock is not just a little stone, it is the exposed bedrock of Mount Moriah.

To clarify your thought:

The "Rock" is Huge: The whole elevated platform is built on and around this original mountain peak. The Foundation Stone inside the Dome of the Rock is not a small relic; it is a large, irregularly shaped outcrop of the mountain's natural bedrock.

Location, Location, Location: Jewish tradition places the Holy of Holies—the absolute center of the Temple—directly on top of or immediately adjacent to that Foundation Stone.

The Geometry Problem: Since the Dome of the Rock is built to enclose and protect that Foundation Stone, any spot "next to" the Dome would likely be outside the traditionally defined area of the original Temple's inner courtyard, or even the Temple building itself.

In short, for the Third Temple to fulfill its religious requirements, the Holy of Holies needs to be on that specific piece of bedrock, and the Dome of the Rock is already there, making a simple "next door" solution seem impossible to many of the movement's proponents.

So what the fuck you gonna do.. sounds like they're "pissy" about trying to build the 3rd temple, where it's pretty big.. so that gold dome can just be in there.. where it is. What's the problem with that again?

That's the ultimate political and religious deadlock. While your idea of building a large Third Temple around the smaller Dome of the Rock seems like a practical compromise, here is the fundamental problem from the perspective of the different religious and activist groups:

The Problem: The Dome is On the Most Sacred Spot The conflict isn't about sharing the Temple Mount plateau; it's about the exact central point of the plateau.

Group/Concept Why the Golden Dome Can't Just Be There Third Temple Activists (Jewish) The Holy of Holies: They believe the Dome of the Rock is sitting directly on the Foundation Stone, which is the site of the Holy of Holies in the original Jewish Temple. The Holy of Holies must be a small, enclosed, empty space where the Ark of the Covenant rested (or would rest). You can't put a massive, sacred Islamic shrine inside the most sacred, restricted area of the Jewish Temple. The Temple architecture itself demands that spot be the altar or the Holy of Holies. Muslim Authorities (Waqf) Sovereignty: They view the entire elevated area (Haram al-Sharif) as an exclusive Islamic holy site. Even if a Jewish Temple were built "next to" the Dome, it would be seen as a grave violation of the status quo and an attempt by Israel to illegally claim and divide the territory. To them, the presence of the Dome and Al-Aqsa Mosque proves the entire area is theirs. Mainstream Orthodox Judaism Ritual Purity: Many mainstream rabbis forbid Jews from even setting foot on the Temple Mount today, precisely because no one is certain of the exact boundaries of the Holy of Holies. They fear accidentally defiling the area where the Holy of Holies stood, which would happen if a massive foreign structure (like the Dome) were incorporated into a rebuilt Temple structure.

Export to Sheets In essence, your idea is blocked by sacred geography (the Dome is on the exact wrong spot for the Holy of Holies) and political sovereignty (no one would permit a Temple complex to be built around or next to the existing shrines). The only way to build the Temple, for the activists, is to clear the site entirely.

well it sounds like the only way is you gotta try and talk to the muslims and say.. hey.. that's the only deal the jews want is to get the fuckin dome outta there and you guys gotta be "chill" about it. Then they can build their 3rd temple.

What you gotta remember here.. is these "noobs" only started their shit in the year 600.. so they're kind of losing there.. Where.. Judaism, the old testament.. they're kind of "right", eh.. where these new guys came along and built their shit on their place. So it's the muslims who are chumps. And they're using the same origins in their bible.. so all you gotta do is talk to them about chilling out and leave the Jews do what they want, for once. lol. They're "right" though, eh.. cause they were there first. lol

That line of thinking gets to the very core of the deep historical and religious claims that make the Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif) the most contested piece of real estate in the world.

You are hitting on the central argument made by Jewish groups pushing for the Third Temple: the claim of precedence and original ownership of the holy site.

Here is a breakdown of the claims and why a simple conversation asking the Muslims to "be chill" is essentially impossible in the current context:

1. The Jewish Claim of Precedence ("We Were There First") The Foundation: The Jewish claim is based on the history of the First Temple (built by Solomon around 960 BCE) and the Second Temple (rebuilt around 516 BCE and destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE). For Judaism, this site is Mount Moriah, where Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Isaac and where the Divine Presence (Shekhinah) resided.

The Argument: Since the two Temples were on that spot for roughly a thousand years before Islam existed, Jewish proponents argue their right to the site and the rebuilding of the Third Temple is pre-eminent and non-negotiable.

2. The Muslim Claim of Sovereignty and Sanctity The Foundation: For Muslims, the site is Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary), and it is the third holiest site in Islam. The Dome of the Rock was completed in 691 CE, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque was also built in the early Islamic period (around 705 CE).

The Argument:

The Night Journey: Muslims revere the site because it is believed to be the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven (the Mi'raj), which is associated with the rock inside the Dome.

Continuous Control: Muslims have maintained continuous religious administration over the site for well over a thousand years (except for the Crusader period). In their view, the Jewish Temples are ancient history, and the site is now and has been, for centuries, an exclusive Islamic sanctuary.

Shared Origin Argument: While Muslims do recognize the prophets of the Hebrew Bible (Abraham, Moses, etc.) as their own prophets, they believe Islam is the final, true, and uncorrupted revelation. They view the entire area as belonging to the universal tradition of Abraham (Haneefiya), which Islam now guards.

The Standoff The core issue is that neither side accepts the historical argument as sufficient reason to abandon their current position:

For the Jews: Giving up the right to rebuild the Temple on the correct spot means giving up a central theological and messianic tenet of their faith.

For the Muslims: Giving up the Dome of the Rock means giving up the third holiest site in their religion and admitting defeat in a millennia-long fight for sovereignty over Jerusalem. It would be viewed as an intolerable humiliation to the entire Islamic world.

Because the claims are rooted in deep faith, history, and national identity, no Muslim leader could "be chill" about removing the Dome of the Rock without facing immense backlash, which is why the situation remains an explosive political deadlock.

[end of conversation.. going to sleep]