[part 5]

lol.. what do you got on this line of david guy, where all the dad's were like jewish and he's supposed to be this jewish messiah.. what's he do.. he's not some jesus dude that does magician tricks like these do these days, with their street magic, who make a pact with a negative entity, who moves the matter. Those guys can do some of the things the jesus dude did.. I don't think they can heal people, but you get witches with occult rituals who can do fast healing. So what do they got on this jewish messiah guy.. give me a full rundown on what his deal is.. he's not like some Jesus 2, eh? What's this guy gonna be doing in the revelations.. in the jewish bible stuff. We do know so far, he's got this "lineage" of the line of david, but it's all "dads" stuff.. so the whole jesus knocking up mary magdalene, that whole line, the holy grail bloodline, doesn't count for the jewish bible prophecy, eh.. Well.. let's get some data here about this messiah guy.. doesn't do magic tricks it sounds like.. or "miracles".

You've brought us back to the fundamental question, and you've accurately summarized and dismissed the parts of the prophecy that don't fit (the Mary Magdalene bloodline and the "magic tricks").

You are seeking a clear, traditional Jewish definition of the Messiah (Mashiach) and his role, distinct from Christian or esoteric interpretations.

Here is the full rundown of the traditional Jewish perspective, as codified by authorities like Maimonides (Rambam), on the Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David):

The Jewish Messiah: A Full Rundown The Jewish Messiah is not a god, a divine savior, or a miracle worker. He is a perfectly righteous, human leader.

Category Details of the Messiah

1. Identity & Lineage Who is he? A human being, a great political and spiritual leader. Lineage Requirement Must be a patrilineal descendant (father-to-son, unbroken male line) of King David (Tribe of Judah). This is why the Jesus/Mary Magdalene lineage, which would pass through a female, does not count for this prophecy. Recognition His identity is not confirmed until he successfully completes his mission. No DNA test or pre-existing title confirms him.
2. Role & Nature (No "Magic Tricks") Miracles/Magic He is not required to perform miracles. The Talmud states that his acts will be natural and political, not supernatural. His success comes from leadership, wisdom, and righteousness, not "street magic" or occult powers. Spiritual Stature He will be the greatest Jewish scholar of his time, perfectly observant of the Torah (Jewish Law) and fully committed to its observance. Military/Political He will be a great military and political leader who will fight and win the "wars of God" to defend Israel and secure its sovereignty.
3. The Mandated Tasks (The Job Description)
4. Rebuild the Temple He must successfully rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. (This is the most challenging task, as discussed, as it must be achieved without initiating global war).
5. Ingathering of Exiles He must gather all Jews (those who are Jewish under Halakha) from all over the world and bring them to live securely in the Land of Israel.
6. Establish the Kingdom He will re-establish the Davidic dynasty as the sovereign government in Israel, where the Torah is the law of the land.
7. Universal Peace (The "Phase 3") He must usher in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). This is an era of global, eternal peace where all nations will recognize the God of Israel and cease all conflict. The world will be perfected, focusing entirely on knowledge and goodness.

Export to Sheets The Messiah in Jewish "Revelations" In the Jewish texts (the Tanakh), the concept of "Revelation" is tied to these prophetic events, not necessarily a grand, apocalyptic destruction sequence like some Christian interpretations:

No "Jesus 2": He does not die for sins, nor does he come to change or replace the Torah. His mission is to enforce the Torah and complete the unfinished spiritual and political restoration of Israel.

The War of Gog and Magog: Many Jewish scholars view the events leading up to the Messianic Age as possibly involving a final, great world conflict (the War of Gog and Magog), but the Messiah is the one who will win this war, establish his kingdom, and ultimately bring peace.

Elijah the Prophet: Some traditions hold that the prophet Elijah will return before the Messiah to clear up all legal and genealogical issues, announce the Messiah's impending arrival, and help establish peace.

In short, the Jewish Messiah is expected to be an unparalleled King and General who is also the greatest Rabbi and Judge who ever lived, achieving complete redemption through political action and spiritual leadership.

It doesn't sound like this jewish messiah guy does too much.. it's like those basic 3 things we talked about. The rebuild the 3rd temple.. that's pretty simple, I got into this earlier, ok. The 2nd thing was rounding up even 1/8th half breeds of jewish origin and you're like.. hey you gotta head back to israel, ok.. cause that's what you gotta do so we can move on to phase 3. And I got into phase 3, how that's like pretty fuckin basic, where they realize it for themselves. so.. like what's this fuckin jewish messiah guy actually do.. cause I can do all that shit myself of the 3 steps.. so what do we need him for? lol. you know what I mean.. he's not like some jesus dude who does street magic tricks. It really seems like he's not really necessary here to do those 3 steps.

I see your point about simplifying the tasks. If you view the three requirements strictly through your lens—where the Temple is a quick demolition job, the Ingathering is just a mailing list/DNA sweep, and Global Peace is just a brief lecture on karma—then, yes, the physical act of those tasks seems less demanding.

The reason the Jewish Messiah is seen as absolutely necessary is that traditional prophecy defines the three tasks not as simple administrative acts, but as tests of authority and proof of divine backing.

Here is what the Messiah provides that an ordinary person cannot, and why he is considered essential:

1. The Authority for the Temple (The Unsolvable Problem) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Rebuild the Temple Authority and Peace. An ordinary person bulldozing the Dome of the Rock causes World War III. The Messiah is defined as the only person whose divine authority and political success is so absolute that he is able to secure the Temple site peacefully and begin the rebuilding without the world descending into war. The act itself is the proof of his power to command peace.

Export to Sheets 2. The Spiritual Authority for the Ingathering Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Ingathering of Exiles Unification and Conviction. The Messiah's spiritual and political genius will be so profound that it will compel millions of Jews—some of whom are highly assimilated, non-observant, or happy where they are—to voluntarily abandon their lives and move to Israel. This is a massive, unified spiritual and national movement that requires an unprecedented leader to inspire.

Export to Sheets 3. The Power to Enforce Universal Peace (The Grand Transformation) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Universal Peace Global Transformation. While you believe explaining "Monad" is enough, the prophecy requires the end of all human jealousy, hunger, murder, and war forever. The Messiah is needed to physically govern this perfected state, not just introduce the idea. He ushers in a time where, as Isaiah says, "they shall beat their swords into plowshares." This is a fundamental change in human nature and global order that requires divine enablement and supreme leadership to enforce permanently.

Export to Sheets In short, the Jewish Messiah's necessary function is to succeed where every secular leader in history has failed: to achieve and maintain absolute, global peace while simultaneously fulfilling the national and spiritual redemption of Israel.

If any ordinary human could simply do those three things, they would automatically be identified as the Messiah. The fact that no one can do them is precisely why the Messiah is still awaited.

well fuck these guys.. cause it's obvious he's not needed, cause he's doing fuck all in this scenario.. so what do we even need him for?

I understand your conclusion, based on your perspective that the three Messianic tasks are simple to achieve by just explaining the universal "karma system" and disregarding the political difficulties.

However, from the perspective of the religious traditions you are questioning, the Messiah is needed because the three tasks are not about the act but about the result.

Here is why, in the eyes of Jewish tradition, the Messiah is essential and cannot be replaced by an ordinary person:

Messianic Task The Religious Requirement (The 'Why') Why an Ordinary Person Fails Rebuilding the Temple The Test of Peace. The Messiah must achieve this without causing a world war. Any ordinary person attempting to remove the Dome of the Rock causes instant, global, catastrophic war, thus failing the final requirement of peace. Ingathering of Exiles The Test of Unification. The Messiah must inspire the scattered Jewish people, who are culturally and politically diverse, to voluntarily and spiritually return and unify as one nation. An ordinary person running DNA tests or issuing orders would be seen as a tyrant or a joke, lacking the spiritual authority to compel this movement. Universal Peace The Test of Perfection. The Messiah must transform the very nature of the world—ending jealousy, murder, and conflict permanently—and establish a perfect, global government. An ordinary person can explain a philosophy (like the Monad/karma system), but they cannot enforce this change across the entire planet to guarantee eternal, flawless peace.

Export to Sheets The Messiah is needed because the prophecy defines him as the only one capable of successfully navigating the geopolitical and human obstacles to achieve all three monumental, perfect, and peaceful results. If someone did successfully achieve those three perfect results, they would be, by definition, the Messiah.

Since no one has yet achieved them—especially the peaceful return to the Temple Mount and the establishment of global peace—the tradition holds that the Messiah is still needed and has not yet arrived.

[continued in part 6.. lol]

[part 5]

lol.. what do you got on this line of david guy, where all the dad's were like jewish and he's supposed to be this jewish messiah.. what's he do.. he's not some jesus dude that does magician tricks like these do these days, with their street magic, who make a pact with a negative entity, who moves the matter. Those guys can do some of the things the jesus dude did.. I don't think they can heal people, but you get witches with occult rituals who can do fast healing. So what do they got on this jewish messiah guy.. give me a full rundown on what his deal is.. he's not like some Jesus 2, eh? What's this guy gonna be doing in the revelations.. in the jewish bible stuff. We do know so far, he's got this "lineage" of the line of david, but it's all "dads" stuff.. so the whole jesus knocking up mary magdalene, that whole line, the holy grail bloodline, doesn't count for the jewish bible prophecy, eh.. Well.. let's get some data here about this messiah guy.. doesn't do magic tricks it sounds like.. or "miracles".

You've brought us back to the fundamental question, and you've accurately summarized and dismissed the parts of the prophecy that don't fit (the Mary Magdalene bloodline and the "magic tricks").

You are seeking a clear, traditional Jewish definition of the Messiah (Mashiach) and his role, distinct from Christian or esoteric interpretations.

Here is the full rundown of the traditional Jewish perspective, as codified by authorities like Maimonides (Rambam), on the Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David):

The Jewish Messiah: A Full Rundown The Jewish Messiah is not a god, a divine savior, or a miracle worker. He is a perfectly righteous, human leader.

Category Details of the Messiah

1. Identity & Lineage Who is he? A human being, a great political and spiritual leader. Lineage Requirement Must be a patrilineal descendant (father-to-son, unbroken male line) of King David (Tribe of Judah). This is why the Jesus/Mary Magdalene lineage, which would pass through a female, does not count for this prophecy. Recognition His identity is not confirmed until he successfully completes his mission. No DNA test or pre-existing title confirms him.
2. Role & Nature (No "Magic Tricks") Miracles/Magic He is not required to perform miracles. The Talmud states that his acts will be natural and political, not supernatural. His success comes from leadership, wisdom, and righteousness, not "street magic" or occult powers. Spiritual Stature He will be the greatest Jewish scholar of his time, perfectly observant of the Torah (Jewish Law) and fully committed to its observance. Military/Political He will be a great military and political leader who will fight and win the "wars of God" to defend Israel and secure its sovereignty.
3. The Mandated Tasks (The Job Description)
4. Rebuild the Temple He must successfully rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. (This is the most challenging task, as discussed, as it must be achieved without initiating global war).
5. Ingathering of Exiles He must gather all Jews (those who are Jewish under Halakha) from all over the world and bring them to live securely in the Land of Israel.
6. Establish the Kingdom He will re-establish the Davidic dynasty as the sovereign government in Israel, where the Torah is the law of the land.
7. Universal Peace (The "Phase 3") He must usher in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). This is an era of global, eternal peace where all nations will recognize the God of Israel and cease all conflict. The world will be perfected, focusing entirely on knowledge and goodness.

Export to Sheets The Messiah in Jewish "Revelations" In the Jewish texts (the Tanakh), the concept of "Revelation" is tied to these prophetic events, not necessarily a grand, apocalyptic destruction sequence like some Christian interpretations:

No "Jesus 2": He does not die for sins, nor does he come to change or replace the Torah. His mission is to enforce the Torah and complete the unfinished spiritual and political restoration of Israel.

The War of Gog and Magog: Many Jewish scholars view the events leading up to the Messianic Age as possibly involving a final, great world conflict (the War of Gog and Magog), but the Messiah is the one who will win this war, establish his kingdom, and ultimately bring peace.

Elijah the Prophet: Some traditions hold that the prophet Elijah will return before the Messiah to clear up all legal and genealogical issues, announce the Messiah's impending arrival, and help establish peace.

In short, the Jewish Messiah is expected to be an unparalleled King and General who is also the greatest Rabbi and Judge who ever lived, achieving complete redemption through political action and spiritual leadership.

It doesn't sound like this jewish messiah guy does too much.. it's like those basic 3 things we talked about. The rebuild the 3rd temple.. that's pretty simple, I got into this earlier, ok. The 2nd thing was rounding up even 1/8th half breeds of jewish origin and you're like.. hey you gotta head back to israel, ok.. cause that's what you gotta do so we can move on to phase 3. And I got into phase 3, how that's like pretty fuckin basic, where they realize it for themselves. so.. like what's this fuckin jewish messiah guy actually do.. cause I can do all that shit myself of the 3 steps.. so what do we need him for? lol. you know what I mean.. he's not like some jesus dude who does street magic tricks. It really seems like he's not really necessary here to do those 3 steps.

I see your point about simplifying the tasks. If you view the three requirements strictly through your lens—where the Temple is a quick demolition job, the Ingathering is just a mailing list/DNA sweep, and Global Peace is just a brief lecture on karma—then, yes, the physical act of those tasks seems less demanding.

The reason the Jewish Messiah is seen as absolutely necessary is that traditional prophecy defines the three tasks not as simple administrative acts, but as tests of authority and proof of divine backing.

Here is what the Messiah provides that an ordinary person cannot, and why he is considered essential:

1. The Authority for the Temple (The Unsolvable Problem) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Rebuild the Temple Authority and Peace. An ordinary person bulldozing the Dome of the Rock causes World War III. The Messiah is defined as the only person whose divine authority and political success is so absolute that he is able to secure the Temple site peacefully and begin the rebuilding without the world descending into war. The act itself is the proof of his power to command peace.

Export to Sheets 2. The Spiritual Authority for the Ingathering Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Ingathering of Exiles Unification and Conviction. The Messiah's spiritual and political genius will be so profound that it will compel millions of Jews—some of whom are highly assimilated, non-observant, or happy where they are—to voluntarily abandon their lives and move to Israel. This is a massive, unified spiritual and national movement that requires an unprecedented leader to inspire.

Export to Sheets 3. The Power to Enforce Universal Peace (The Grand Transformation) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Universal Peace Global Transformation. While you believe explaining "Monad" is enough, the prophecy requires the end of all human jealousy, hunger, murder, and war forever. The Messiah is needed to physically govern this perfected state, not just introduce the idea. He ushers in a time where, as Isaiah says, "they shall beat their swords into plowshares." This is a fundamental change in human nature and global order that requires divine enablement and supreme leadership to enforce permanently.

Export to Sheets In short, the Jewish Messiah's necessary function is to succeed where every secular leader in history has failed: to achieve and maintain absolute, global peace while simultaneously fulfilling the national and spiritual redemption of Israel.

If any ordinary human could simply do those three things, they would automatically be identified as the Messiah. The fact that no one can do them is precisely why the Messiah is still awaited.

well fuck these guys.. cause it's obvious he's not needed, cause he's doing fuck all in this scenario.. so what do we even need him for?

I understand your conclusion, based on your perspective that the three Messianic tasks are simple to achieve by just explaining the universal "karma system" and disregarding the political difficulties.

However, from the perspective of the religious traditions you are questioning, the Messiah is needed because the three tasks are not about the act but about the result.

Here is why, in the eyes of Jewish tradition, the Messiah is essential and cannot be replaced by an ordinary person:

Messianic Task The Religious Requirement (The 'Why') Why an Ordinary Person Fails Rebuilding the Temple The Test of Peace. The Messiah must achieve this without causing a world war. Any ordinary person attempting to remove the Dome of the Rock causes instant, global, catastrophic war, thus failing the final requirement of peace. Ingathering of Exiles The Test of Unification. The Messiah must inspire the scattered Jewish people, who are culturally and politically diverse, to voluntarily and spiritually return and unify as one nation. An ordinary person running DNA tests or issuing orders would be seen as a tyrant or a joke, lacking the spiritual authority to compel this movement. Universal Peace The Test of Perfection. The Messiah must transform the very nature of the world—ending jealousy, murder, and conflict permanently—and establish a perfect, global government. An ordinary person can explain a philosophy (like the Monad/karma system), but they cannot enforce this change across the entire planet to guarantee eternal, flawless peace.

Export to Sheets The Messiah is needed because the prophecy defines him as the only one capable of successfully navigating the geopolitical and human obstacles to achieve all three monumental, perfect, and peaceful results. If someone did successfully achieve those three perfect results, they would be, by definition, the Messiah.

Since no one has yet achieved them—especially the peaceful return to the Temple Mount and the establishment of global peace—the tradition holds that the Messiah is still needed and has not yet arrived.

[end of conversation.. lol]

[part 5]

lol.. what do you got on this line of david guy, where all the dad's were like jewish and he's supposed to be this jewish messiah.. what's he do.. he's not some jesus dude that does magician tricks like these do these days, with their street magic, who make a pact with a negative entity, who moves the matter. Those guys can do some of the things the jesus dude did.. I don't think they can heal people, but you get witches with occult rituals who can do fast healing. So what do they got on this jewish messiah guy.. give me a full rundown on what his deal is.. he's not like some Jesus 2, eh? What's this guy gonna be doing in the revelations.. in the jewish bible stuff. We do know so far, he's got this "lineage" of the line of david, but it's all "dads" stuff.. so the whole jesus knocking up mary magdalene, that whole line, the holy grail bloodline, doesn't count for the jewish bible prophecy, eh.. Well.. let's get some data here about this messiah guy.. doesn't do magic tricks it sounds like.. or "miracles".

You've brought us back to the fundamental question, and you've accurately summarized and dismissed the parts of the prophecy that don't fit (the Mary Magdalene bloodline and the "magic tricks").

You are seeking a clear, traditional Jewish definition of the Messiah (Mashiach) and his role, distinct from Christian or esoteric interpretations.

Here is the full rundown of the traditional Jewish perspective, as codified by authorities like Maimonides (Rambam), on the Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David):

The Jewish Messiah: A Full Rundown The Jewish Messiah is not a god, a divine savior, or a miracle worker. He is a perfectly righteous, human leader.

Category Details of the Messiah

1. Identity & Lineage Who is he? A human being, a great political and spiritual leader. Lineage Requirement Must be a patrilineal descendant (father-to-son, unbroken male line) of King David (Tribe of Judah). This is why the Jesus/Mary Magdalene lineage, which would pass through a female, does not count for this prophecy. Recognition His identity is not confirmed until he successfully completes his mission. No DNA test or pre-existing title confirms him.
2. Role & Nature (No "Magic Tricks") Miracles/Magic He is not required to perform miracles. The Talmud states that his acts will be natural and political, not supernatural. His success comes from leadership, wisdom, and righteousness, not "street magic" or occult powers. Spiritual Stature He will be the greatest Jewish scholar of his time, perfectly observant of the Torah (Jewish Law) and fully committed to its observance. Military/Political He will be a great military and political leader who will fight and win the "wars of God" to defend Israel and secure its sovereignty.
3. The Mandated Tasks (The Job Description)
4. Rebuild the Temple He must successfully rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. (This is the most challenging task, as discussed, as it must be achieved without initiating global war).
5. Ingathering of Exiles He must gather all Jews (those who are Jewish under Halakha) from all over the world and bring them to live securely in the Land of Israel.
6. Establish the Kingdom He will re-establish the Davidic dynasty as the sovereign government in Israel, where the Torah is the law of the land.
7. Universal Peace (The "Phase 3") He must usher in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). This is an era of global, eternal peace where all nations will recognize the God of Israel and cease all conflict. The world will be perfected, focusing entirely on knowledge and goodness.

Export to Sheets The Messiah in Jewish "Revelations" In the Jewish texts (the Tanakh), the concept of "Revelation" is tied to these prophetic events, not necessarily a grand, apocalyptic destruction sequence like some Christian interpretations:

No "Jesus 2": He does not die for sins, nor does he come to change or replace the Torah. His mission is to enforce the Torah and complete the unfinished spiritual and political restoration of Israel.

The War of Gog and Magog: Many Jewish scholars view the events leading up to the Messianic Age as possibly involving a final, great world conflict (the War of Gog and Magog), but the Messiah is the one who will win this war, establish his kingdom, and ultimately bring peace.

Elijah the Prophet: Some traditions hold that the prophet Elijah will return before the Messiah to clear up all legal and genealogical issues, announce the Messiah's impending arrival, and help establish peace.

In short, the Jewish Messiah is expected to be an unparalleled King and General who is also the greatest Rabbi and Judge who ever lived, achieving complete redemption through political action and spiritual leadership.

[end of conversation for now.. lol]