WRONG, ITS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT ORDER, SO YOU ALWAYS KNOW YOUR PLACE
Authoritarian morons always think stupid, proud, and egotistical things like this. They use force because they can’t use intellect. If you have intellect, then you (typically) don’t need to resort to baser methods. If you have it, use it! If you don’t then i understand why you are acting the embarrassing way you are - and you should too and work harder at it!
YA, BY YOU REVERTING TO YOUR IM A VICTIM FEELINGS TO PROTECT YOUR PRIDE IN BEING A LOW IQ STALKER + TROLLER
You are the only one who has volatile feelings in this, which is why you are acting so emotional and unable to have a simple and mundane conversation with me. I’m not the victim of your actions/emotions, you are! As i said, if you don’t get control over them you will continue to be their slave.
IM JUST TELLING YOU THE TRUTH,
If only you had the truth to give (and i always give the benefit of the doubt, and hope that you do have such truth to share!), then you wouldn’t need to yell/insult/condescend! You could just plainly share your truth and answer my questions about it, with no unpleasant emotion (which is causing YOU distress!).
YOUR USING DOUBLE SPEAK AND WRONG THINK
Doublespeak is when you say one thing and mean another, or say both contradictory/paradoxical things out both sides of your mouth. Please provide one example of me doing that so i can explain myself (likely a misinterpretation on your part, but possibly an unintentional mistake on mine!)
As for wrong think, that’s when you tell someone their views are unacceptable and they aren’t allowed to have them. It is NOT when you tell someone their views are incorrect, like when you point out that the definition of the words and terms they are using are not in any available dictionary or encyclopedia. There is no reason to take such offense! You are swinging wildly with these baseless criticisms because your feelings have been hurt - but it was not (and is not) my intention to hurt them or you in any way.
If you think that isn’t the case, and there is any merit to the criticisms above, please provide specific examples so we can discuss them.
THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP HARPING ON YOUR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE AND FEELINGS OF ATTITUDE, IS IT TO DISGUISE THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR LOGIC
It is a disguise for the weakness of logic - that’s exactly what i said! I have never harped on MY emotional damage, but the damage you are allowing your emotion to cause yourself (and this otherwise easy and mundane conversation) :( You are so afraid and threatened at being wrong that you have been freaking out almost from the beginning. Cast off your needless fear along with your foolish pride which causes it. You make mistakes all the time! You are wrong about lots of the things you think and say! Take heart! So does/is everybody else!
IM NOT TEACHING ANYTHING, IM JUST CORRECTING YOUR WRONG.
You are trying (failing currently) to teach your explanation for the cause of the sunset, your unique definition for diffraction limit, your unique (and opposite) definition for opaque, that 2D has depth, one eye can perceive depth, the list goes on and on. Yes, correcting peoples misunderstandings of what you teach is part of teaching!
ALSO TEACHERS GET PAID
If we have the truth, brother or sister - it is our duty to share it. Why bother sharing a video like this in the first place? Did you really expect to be paid for it? Sharing the truth is its own reward, don’t you agree?
THIS WORD ALSO HAS SYNONYMS WHICH HINT AS ITS OBSURRED COMPLTE MEANING
Even if this were true and supported your usage, the definition of the word is common among people and exists. When you use the word incorrectly, in this case with your belief that it means the opposite of what the definition does, that causes confusion when trying to communicate! You shouldn’t get mad about it; opaque means light blocking - not translucent (they are different words for a reason!). When you redefine common words you should try to make sure you are both upfront about that and that there is a good reason for doing so. You did neither - you just immediately used the word incorrectly.
“Depth appears different due to perspective, but that is an illusion – obviously.” WRONG
Surely you mean to say, right. Go back to your cube example. You hold it up and slightly tilt it forward so you can see the top of it clearly. you know that it is a cube, and has exactly equal height, width, and depth. Yet when you observe the top in the dimension of depth - you can see that it tapers like a trapezoid towards the back! The top of the cube is a perfect square, but in the dimension of depth it APPEARS to be a trapezoid. This is an illusion. Do you understand what i am saying now?
THE GROUND AT THE HORIZON IS REALLY THERE , ITS NOT A OPTICAL ILLUSION, IT IS QUITE PRYSICAL
No one said the ground was an optical illusion - that would be stupid. I said that the apparent rising of it was an illusion. It may LOOK like it has risen in the distance, but it hasn’t (assuming it is flat, that is).
It is never in between the sun and the observer (when it is flat). So if it is never between it, then regardless of how opaque or “non-opaque” it is, it can never block any light coming from it. Right? Can you explain/describe how the ground blocks light when it isn’t ever between the light and the observer?
IVE SEENS TONS OF VIDEO OF ITEMS DISPPEARING BOTTTOM FIRST OVER 50 FEET ON A TOTALLY FLAT FLOOR
Me too! But when i try to replicate them, i can’t. Have you tried to replicate any of them? Videos can be misleading, and i prefer to validate things myself - not trust the tv [screens] - don’t you agree?
Also in those videos the item is usually right against the surface of the flat plane, not above it and allowing perspective to make the two appear to converge AND when you zoom in the “occulted” portion is fully restored - so it isn’t really analogous to what you think is happening with the sunset. The sun is always FAR above the ground, even when it appears (due to perspective) to be close to it.
“but you think depth exists in 2D” GOOD
No, it isn’t good to think things that are clearly wrong. Depth does not exist in 2D - by definition/convention. It doesn’t matter how far that 2D plane is from you - there is NO depth in it nor is depth possible in 2D.
YEAH FOR A SHIP 10 MILES AWAY, SURE, BUT THE SUN IS MUCH MUCH FURTHER AWAY
That’s exactly my point. no amount of magnification can restore the “occulted” part of the boat once it has partially “set over the horizon”. Of course the bottom of the sun, although certainly much further away, can ALSO not be restored for the same reasons. The light from the bottom of it is simply not reaching the observer anymore. no amount of magnification/optics could ever change/fix that.
WELL IF DEPTH IS AN ANGLE, WHERE DOES THIS ANGLE END
It isn’t an angle, but i understand what you mean when you say that. Depth is a linear dimension, along with height and width. Perceived/experiential depth is caused by parallax from the difference between what the left and right eyes see. Your “depth angle” conception requires two eyes to be sensical.
Yes, there is a distance at which objects do not exhibit noticeable parallax and so we do not experience noticeable depth as a result (although, as i said - the brain has other tricks to infer depth when that detail is missing - light/shadow etc.). This distance is NOT the diffraction limit, and beyond it objects still shrink in apparent size as they recede for all the same reasons they do when they are closer. You may be correct about other things you are saying, but these things are plainly and demonstrably wrong.
“Experiential depth is from parallax” STOP MAKING UP WORDS THAT MEAN SHIT, PARRALAX IS COMPARING ONE VIWW TO ANOTHER
Yes, exactly! I recognize that the word parallax is not usually a word applied to visual/experiential depth, but it is completely appropriate when you understand what parallax is. Your brain compares the one view from the left eye, to the one view from the right eye - and that is how it generates experiential depth! Haven’t you ever wondered how 3D glasses work?
, AND DEPTH IS NOT DUE TO YOU HAVING TWO EYES, WE WENT OVER THIS
Depth IS due to having two eyes, and we DID go over this. But effective communication (and education, beyond that) requires repetition! Don’t you remember? :)
OBVIUOSLY YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFACTION LIMIT IS POOR
Perhaps, but i know what it is and didn’t simply make up a new definition for it (or worse, pick it up from someone else who also didn’t know what it meant). Why can’t/won’t you just look it up?
wHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE DEFINITIONS IN THE DICTIONARY ARE PERFECT ALL THE TIME
Nowhere! And i am perfectly fine with redefining words when there is a good reason to, or even just arbitrarily for the purposes of a conversation / effective communication. Your pride is the only thing preventing you from admitting (and even recognizing!) that the common definition (that everyone else knows and uses) for opaque is the opposite of the one you use. Why not just admit it, and move on?
WHY DO YOU ASSUME IM UNCORMFORTABLE
I don’t assume! You are demonstrating it through your embarrassing behavior :( You are also literally saying it when you say this conversation is “rape”. Unless you are most comfortable when being raped?
IVE ASKED YOU 6 TIMES TO STOP BUGGING ME WITH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF REALITY
And yet your foolish pride doesn’t allow you to simply stop responding yourself - which would have ended this “conversation” immediately! I’m using your weakness against you, for your own benefit, and i do it out of love for the subject and for you brother or sister!
I assure you, though this discussion is very difficult for you - it will benefit us both if you continue it. It will not be so uncomfortable if you can just calm down and discuss logically/rationally. We are talking about objective reality, and there is no reason to be emotional - even when you are wrong! Pride is a fool’s fortress and shame’s cloak - cast it off if you can and you will be better for it!
WRONG, ITS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT ORDER, SO YOU ALWAYS KNOW YOUR PLACE
Authoritarian morons always think stupid, proud, and egotistical things like this. They use force because they can’t use intellect. If you have intellect, then you (typically) don’t need to resort to baser methods. If you have it, use it! If you don’t then i understand why you are acting the embarrassing way you are - and you should too and work harder at it!
YA, BY YOU REVERTING TO YOUR IM A VICTIM FEELINGS TO PROTECT YOUR PRIDE IN BEING A LOW IQ STALKER + TROLLER
You are the only one who has volatile feelings in this, which is why you are acting so emotional and unable to have a simple and mundane conversation with me. I’m not the victim of your actions/emotions, you are! As i said, if you don’t get control over them you will continue to be their slave.
IM JUST TELLING YOU THE TRUTH,
If only you had the truth to give (and i always give the benefit of the doubt, and hope that you do have such truth to share!), then you wouldn’t need to yell/insult/condescend! You could just plainly share your truth and answer my questions about it, with no unpleasant emotion (which is causing YOU distress!).
YOUR USING DOUBLE SPEAK AND WRONG THINK
Doublespeak is when you say one thing and mean another, or say both contradictory/paradoxical things out both sides of your mouth. Please provide one example of me doing that so i can explain myself (likely a misinterpretation on your part, but possibly an unintentional mistake on mine!)
As for wrong think, that’s when you tell someone their views are unacceptable and they aren’t allowed to have them. It is NOT when you tell someone their views are incorrect, like when you point out that the definition of the words and terms they are using are not in any available dictionary or encyclopedia. There is no reason to take such offense! You are swinging wildly with these baseless criticisms because your feelings have been hurt - but it was not (and is not) my intention to hurt them or you in any way.
If you think that isn’t the case, and there is any merit to the criticisms above, please provide specific examples so we can discuss them.
THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP HARPING ON YOUR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE AND FEELINGS OF ATTITUDE, IS IT TO DISGUISE THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR LOGIC
It is a disguise for the weakness of logic - that’s exactly what i said! I have never harped on MY emotional damage, but the damage you are allowing your emotion to cause yourself (and this otherwise easy and mundane conversation) :( You are so afraid and threatened at being wrong that you have been freaking out almost from the beginning. Cast off your needless fear with your foolish pride. You make mistakes all the time! You are wrong about lots of the things you think and say! Take heart! So does/is everybody else!
IM NOT TEACHING ANYTHING, IM JUST CORRECTING YOUR WRONG.
You are trying (failing currently) to teach your explanation for the cause of the sunset, your unique definition for diffraction limit, your unique (and opposite) definition for opaque, that 2D has depth, one eye can perceive depth, the list goes on and on. Yes, correcting peoples misunderstandings of what you teach is part of teaching!
ALSO TEACHERS GET PAID
If we have the truth, brother or sister - it is our duty to share it. Why bother sharing a video like this in the first place? Did you really expect to be paid for it? Sharing the truth is its own reward, don’t you agree?
THIS WORD ALSO HAS SYNONYMS WHICH HINT AS ITS OBSURRED COMPLTE MEANING
Even if this were true and supported your usage, the definition of the word is common among people and exists. When you use the word incorrectly, in this case with your belief that it means the opposite of what the definition does, that causes confusion when trying to communicate! You shouldn’t get mad about it; opaque means light blocking - not translucent (they are different words for a reason!). When you redefine common words you should try to make sure you are both upfront about that and that there is a good reason for doing so. You did neither - you just immediately used the word incorrectly.
“Depth appears different due to perspective, but that is an illusion – obviously.” WRONG
Surely you mean to say, right. Go back to your cube example. You hold it up and slightly tilt it forward so you can see the top of it clearly. you know that it is a cube, and has exactly equal height, width, and depth. Yet when you observe the top in the dimension of depth - you can see that it tapers like a trapezoid towards the back! The top of the cube is a perfect square, but in the dimension of depth it APPEARS to be a trapezoid. This is an illusion. Do you understand what i am saying now?
THE GROUND AT THE HORIZON IS REALLY THERE , ITS NOT A OPTICAL ILLUSION, IT IS QUITE PRYSICAL
No one said the ground was an optical illusion - that would be stupid. I said that the apparent rising of it was an illusion. It may LOOK like it has risen in the distance, but it hasn’t (assuming it is flat, that is).
It is never in between the sun and the observer (when it is flat). So if it is never between it, then regardless of how opaque or “non-opaque” it is, it can never block any light coming from it. Right? Can you explain/describe how the ground blocks light when it isn’t ever between the light and the observer?
IVE SEENS TONS OF VIDEO OF ITEMS DISPPEARING BOTTTOM FIRST OVER 50 FEET ON A TOTALLY FLAT FLOOR
Me too! But when i try to replicate them, i can’t. Have you tried to replicate any of them? Videos can be misleading, and i prefer to validate things myself - not trust the tv [screens] - don’t you agree?
Also in those videos the item is usually right against the surface of the flat plane, not above it and allowing perspective to make the two appear to converge AND when you zoom in the “occulted” portion is fully restored - so it isn’t really analogous to what you think is happening with the sunset. The sun is always FAR above the ground, even when it appears (due to perspective) to be close to it.
“but you think depth exists in 2D” GOOD
No, it isn’t good to think things that are clearly wrong. Depth does not exist in 2D - by definition/convention. It doesn’t matter how far that 2D plane is from you - there is NO depth in it nor is depth possible in 2D.
YEAH FOR A SHIP 10 MILES AWAY, SURE, BUT THE SUN IS MUCH MUCH FURTHER AWAY
That’s exactly my point. no amount of magnification can restore the “occulted” part of the boat once it has partially “set over the horizon”. Of course the bottom of the sun, although certainly much further away, can ALSO not be restored for the same reasons. The light from the bottom of it is simply not reaching the observer anymore. no amount of magnification/optics could ever change/fix that.
WELL IF DEPTH IS AN ANGLE, WHERE DOES THIS ANGLE END
It isn’t an angle, but i understand what you mean when you say that. Depth is a linear dimension, along with height and width. Perceived/experiential depth is caused by parallax from the difference between what the left and right eyes see. Your “depth angle” conception requires two eyes to be sensical.
Yes, there is a distance at which objects do not exhibit noticeable parallax and so we do not experience noticeable depth as a result (although, as i said - the brain has other tricks to infer depth when that detail is missing - light/shadow etc.). This distance is NOT the diffraction limit, and beyond it objects still shrink in apparent size as they recede for all the same reasons they do when they are closer. You may be correct about other things you are saying, but these things are plainly and demonstrably wrong.
“Experiential depth is from parallax” STOP MAKING UP WORDS THAT MEAN SHIT, PARRALAX IS COMPARING ONE VIWW TO ANOTHER
Yes, exactly! I recognize that the word parallax is not usually a word applied to visual/experiential depth, but it is completely appropriate when you understand what parallax is. Your brain compares the one view from the left eye, to the one view from the right eye - and that is how it generates experiential depth! Haven’t you ever wondered how 3D glasses work?
, AND DEPTH IS NOT DUE TO YOU HAVING TWO EYES, WE WENT OVER THIS
Depth IS due to having two eyes, and we DID go over this. But effective communication (and education, beyond that) requires repetition! Don’t you remember? :)
OBVIUOSLY YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFACTION LIMIT IS POOR
Perhaps, but i know what it is and didn’t simply make up a new definition for it (or worse, pick it up from someone else who also didn’t know what it meant). Why can’t/won’t you just look it up?
wHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE DEFINITIONS IN THE DICTIONARY ARE PERFECT ALL THE TIME
Nowhere! And i am perfectly fine with redefining words when there is a good reason to, or even just arbitrarily for the purposes of a conversation / effective communication. Your pride is the only thing preventing you from admitting (and even recognizing!) that the common definition (that everyone else knows and uses) for opaque is the opposite of the one you use. Why not just admit it, and move on?
WHY DO YOU ASSUME IM UNCORMFORTABLE
I don’t assume! You are demonstrating it through your embarrassing behavior :( You are also literally saying it when you say this conversation is “rape”. Unless you are most comfortable when being raped?
IVE ASKED YOU 6 TIMES TO STOP BUGGING ME WITH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF REALITY
And yet your foolish pride doesn’t allow you to simply stop responding yourself - which would have ended this “conversation” immediately! I’m using your weakness against you, for your own benefit, and i do it out of love for the subject and for you brother or sister!
I assure you, though this discussion is very difficult for you - it will benefit us both if you continue it. It will not be so uncomfortable if you can just calm down and discuss logically/rationally. We are talking about objective reality, and there is no reason to be emotional - even when you are wrong! Pride is a fool’s fortress and shame’s cloak - cast it off if you can and you will be better for it!
WRONG, ITS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT ORDER, SO YOU ALWAYS KNOW YOUR PLACE
Authoritarian morons always think stupid, proud, and egotistical things like this. They use force because they can’t use intellect. If you have intellect, then you (typically) don’t need to resort to baser methods. If you have it, use it! If you don’t then i understand why you are acting the embarrassing way you are - and you should too and work harder at it!
YA, BY YOU REVERTING TO YOUR IM A VICTIM FEELINGS TO PROTECT YOUR PRIDE IN BEING A LOW IQ STALKER + TROLLER
You are the only one who has volatile feelings in this, which is why you are acting so emotional and unable to have a simple and mundane conversation with me. I’m not the victim of your actions/emotions, you are! As i said, if you don’t get control over them you will continue to be their slave.
IM JUST TELLING YOU THE TRUTH,
If only you had the truth to give (and i always give the benefit of the doubt, and hope that you do have such truth to share!), then you wouldn’t need to yell/insult/condescend! You could just plainly share your truth and answer my questions about it, with no unpleasant emotion (which is causing YOU distress!).
YOUR USING DOUBLE SPEAK AND WRONG THINK
Doublespeak is when you say one thing and mean another, or say both contradictory/paradoxical things out both sides of your mouth. Please provide one example of me doing that so i can explain myself (likely a misinterpretation on your part, but possibly an unintentional mistake on mine!)
As for wrong think, that’s when you tell someone their views are unacceptable and they aren’t allowed to have them. It is NOT when you tell someone their views are incorrect, like when you point out that the definition of the words and terms they are using are not in any available dictionary or encyclopedia. There is no reason to take such offense! You are swinging wildly with these baseless criticisms because your feelings have been hurt - but it was not (and is not) my intention to hurt them or you in any way.
If you think that isn’t the case, and there is any merit to the criticisms above, please provide specific examples so we can discuss them.
THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP HARPING ON YOUR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE AND FEELINGS OF ATTITUDE, IS IT TO DISGUISE THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR LOGIC
It is a disguise for the weakness of logic - that’s exactly what i said! I have never harped on MY emotional damage, but the damage you are allowing your emotion to cause yourself (and this otherwise easy and mundane conversation) :( You are so afraid and threatened at being wrong that you have been freaking out almost from the beginning. Cast off your needless fear with your foolish pride. You make mistakes all the time! You are wrong about lots of the things you think and say! Take heart! So does/is everybody else!
IM NOT TEACHING ANYTHING, IM JUST CORRECTING YOUR WRONG.
You are trying (failing currently) to teach your explanation for the cause of the sunset, your unique definition for diffraction limit, your unique (and opposite) definition for opaque, that 2D has depth, one eye can perceive depth, the list goes on and on. Yes, correcting peoples misunderstandings of what you teach is part of teaching!
ALSO TEACHERS GET PAID
If we have the truth, brother or sister - it is our duty to share it. Why bother sharing a video like this in the first place? Did you really expect to be paid for it? Sharing the truth is its own reward, don’t you agree?
THIS WORD ALSO HAS SYNONYMS WHICH HINT AS ITS OBSURRED COMPLTE MEANING
Even if this were true and supported your usage, the definition of the word is common among people and exists. When you use the word incorrectly, in this case with your belief that it means the opposite of what the definition does, that causes confusion when trying to communicate! You shouldn’t get mad about it; opaque means light blocking - not translucent (they are different words for a reason!). When you redefine common words you should try to make sure you are both upfront about that and that there is a good reason for doing so. You did neither - you just immediately used the word incorrectly.
“Depth appears different due to perspective, but that is an illusion – obviously.” WRONG
Surely you mean to say, right. Go back to your cube example. You hold it up and slightly tilt it forward so you can see the top of it clearly. you know that it is a cube, and has exactly equal height, width, and depth. Yet when you observe the top in the dimension of depth - you can see that it tapers like a trapezoid towards the back! The top of the cube is a perfect square, but in the dimension of depth it APPEARS to be a trapezoid. This is an illusion. Do you understand what i am saying now?
THE GROUND AT THE HORIZON IS REALLY THERE , ITS NOT A OPTICAL ILLUSION, IT IS QUITE PRYSICAL
No one said the ground was an optical illusion - that would be stupid. I said that the apparent rising of it was an illusion. It may LOOK like it has risen in the distance, but it hasn’t (assuming it is flat, that is).
It is never in between the sun and the observer (when it is flat). So if it is never between it, then regardless of how opaque or “non-opaque” it is, it can never block any light coming from it. Right? Can you explain/describe how the ground blocks light when it isn’t ever between the light and the observer?
IVE SEENS TONS OF VIDEO OF ITEMS DISPPEARING BOTTTOM FIRST OVER 50 FEET ON A TOTALLY FLAT FLOOR
Me too! But when i try to replicate them, i can’t. Have you tried to replicate any of them? Videos can be misleading, and i prefer to validate things myself - not trust the tv [screens] - don’t you agree?
Also in those videos the item is usually right against the surface of the flat plane, not above it and allowing perspective to make the two appear to converge - so it isn’t really analogous to what you think is happening with the sunset. The sun is always FAR above the ground, even when it appears (due to perspective) to be close to it.
“but you think depth exists in 2D” GOOD
No, it isn’t good to think things that are clearly wrong. Depth does not exist in 2D - by definition/convention. It doesn’t matter how far that 2D plane is from you - there is NO depth in it nor is depth possible in 2D.
YEAH FOR A SHIP 10 MILES AWAY, SURE, BUT THE SUN IS MUCH MUCH FURTHER AWAY
That’s exactly my point. no amount of magnification can restore the “occulted” part of the boat once it has partially “set over the horizon”. Of course the bottom of the sun, although certainly much further away, can ALSO not be restored for the same reasons. The light from the bottom of it is simply not reaching the observer anymore. no amount of magnification/optics could ever change/fix that.
WELL IF DEPTH IS AN ANGLE, WHERE DOES THIS ANGLE END
It isn’t an angle, but i understand what you mean when you say that. Depth is a linear dimension, along with height and width. Perceived/experiential depth is caused by parallax from the difference between what the left and right eyes see. Your “depth angle” conception requires two eyes to be sensical.
Yes, there is a distance at which objects do not exhibit noticeable parallax and so we do not experience noticeable depth as a result (although, as i said - the brain has other tricks to infer depth when that detail is missing - light/shadow etc.). This distance is NOT the diffraction limit, and beyond it objects still shrink in apparent size as they recede for all the same reasons they do when they are closer. You may be correct about other things you are saying, but these things are plainly and demonstrably wrong.
“Experiential depth is from parallax” STOP MAKING UP WORDS THAT MEAN SHIT, PARRALAX IS COMPARING ONE VIWW TO ANOTHER
Yes, exactly! I recognize that the word parallax is not usually a word applied to visual/experiential depth, but it is completely appropriate when you understand what parallax is. Your brain compares the one view from the left eye, to the one view from the right eye - and that is how it generates experiential depth! Haven’t you ever wondered how 3D glasses work?
, AND DEPTH IS NOT DUE TO YOU HAVING TWO EYES, WE WENT OVER THIS
Depth IS due to having two eyes, and we DID go over this. But effective communication (and education, beyond that) requires repetition! Don’t you remember? :)
OBVIUOSLY YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFACTION LIMIT IS POOR
Perhaps, but i know what it is and didn’t simply make up a new definition for it (or worse, pick it up from someone else who also didn’t know what it meant). Why can’t/won’t you just look it up?
wHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE DEFINITIONS IN THE DICTIONARY ARE PERFECT ALL THE TIME
Nowhere! And i am perfectly fine with redefining words when there is a good reason to, or even just arbitrarily for the purposes of a conversation / effective communication. Your pride is the only thing preventing you from admitting (and even recognizing!) that the common definition (that everyone else knows and uses) for opaque is the opposite of the one you use. Why not just admit it, and move on?
WHY DO YOU ASSUME IM UNCORMFORTABLE
I don’t assume! You are demonstrating it through your embarrassing behavior :( You are also literally saying it when you say this conversation is “rape”. Unless you are most comfortable when being raped?
IVE ASKED YOU 6 TIMES TO STOP BUGGING ME WITH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF REALITY
And yet your foolish pride doesn’t allow you to simply stop responding yourself - which would have ended this “conversation” immediately! I’m using your weakness against you, for your own benefit, and i do it out of love for the subject and for you brother or sister!
I assure you, though this discussion is very difficult for you - it will benefit us both if you continue it. It will not be so uncomfortable if you can just calm down and discuss logically/rationally. We are talking about objective reality, and there is no reason to be emotional - even when you are wrong! Pride is a fool’s fortress and shame’s cloak - cast it off if you can and you will be better for it!
WRONG, ITS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT ORDER, SO YOU ALWAYS KNOW YOUR PLACE
Authoritarian morons always think stupid, proud, and egotistical things like this. They use force because they can’t use intellect. If you have intellect, then you (typically) don’t need to resort to baser methods. If you have it, use it! If you don’t then i understand why you are acting the embarrassing way you are - and you should too and work harder at it!
YA, BY YOU REVERTING TO YOUR IM A VICTIM FEELINGS TO PROTECT YOUR PRIDE IN BEING A LOW IQ STALKER + TROLLER
You are the only one who has volatile feelings in this, which is why you are acting so emotional and unable to have a simple and mundane conversation with me. I’m not the victim of your actions/emotions, you are! As i said, if you don’t get control over them you will continue to be their slave.
IM JUST TELLING YOU THE TRUTH,
If only you had the truth to give (and i always give the benefit of the doubt, and hope that you do have such truth to share!), then you wouldn’t need to yell/insult/condescend! You could just plainly share your truth and answer my questions about it, with no unpleasant emotion (which is causing YOU distress!).
YOUR USING DOUBLE SPEAK AND WRONG THINK
Doublespeak is when you say one thing and mean another, or say both contradictory/paradoxical things out both sides of your mouth. Please provide one example of me doing that so i can explain myself (likely a misinterpretation on your part, but possibly an unintentional mistake on mine!)
As for wrong think, that’s when you tell someone their views are unacceptable and they aren’t allowed to have them. It is NOT when you tell someone their views are incorrect, like when you point out that the definition of the words and terms they are using are not in any available dictionary or encyclopedia. There is no reason to take such offense! You are swinging wildly with these baseless criticisms because your feelings have been hurt - but it was not (and is not) my intention to hurt them or you in any way.
If you think that isn’t the case, and there is any merit to the criticisms above, please provide specific examples so we can discuss them.
THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP HARPING ON YOUR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE AND FEELINGS OF ATTITUDE, IS IT TO DISGUISE THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR LOGIC
It is a disguise for the weakness of logic - that’s exactly what i said! I have never harped on MY emotional damage, but the damage you are allowing your emotion to cause yourself (and this otherwise easy and mundane conversation) :( You are so afraid and threatened at being wrong that you have been freaking out almost from the beginning. Cast off your needless fear with your foolish pride. You make mistakes all the time! You are wrong about lots of the things you think and say! Take heart! So does/is everybody else!
IM NOT TEACHING ANYTHING, IM JUST CORRECTING YOUR WRONG.
You are trying (failing currently) to teach your explanation for the cause of the sunset, your unique definition for diffraction limit, your unique (and opposite) definition for opaque, that 2D has depth, one eye can perceive depth, the list goes on and on. Yes, correcting peoples misunderstandings of what you teach is part of teaching!
ALSO TEACHERS GET PAID
If we have the truth, brother or sister - it is our duty to share it. Why bother sharing a video like this in the first place? Did you really expect to be paid for it? Sharing the truth is its own reward, don’t you agree?
THIS WORD ALSO HAS SYNONYMS WHICH HINT AS ITS OBSURRED COMPLTE MEANING
Even if this were true and supported your usage, the definition of the word is common among people and exists. When you use the word incorrectly, in this case with your belief that it means the opposite of what the definition does, that causes confusion when trying to communicate! You shouldn’t get mad about it; opaque means light blocking - not translucent (they are different words for a reason!). When you redefine common words you should try to make sure you are both upfront about that and that there is a good reason for doing so. You did neither - you just immediately used the word incorrectly.
“Depth appears different due to perspective, but that is an illusion – obviously.” WRONG
Surely you mean to say, right. Go back to your cube example. You hold it up and slightly tilt it back so you can see the top of it clearly. you know that it is a cube, and has exactly equal height, width, and depth. Yet when you observe the top in the dimension of depth - you can see that it tapers like a trapezoid towards the back! The top of the cube is a perfect square, but in the dimension of depth it APPEARS to be a trapezoid. This is an illusion. Do you understand what i am saying now?
THE GROUND AT THE HORIZON IS REALLY THERE , ITS NOT A OPTICAL ILLUSION, IT IS QUITE PRYSICAL
No one said the ground was an optical illusion - that would be stupid. I said that the apparent rising of it was an illusion. It may LOOK like it has risen in the distance, but it hasn’t (assuming it is flat, that is).
It is never in between the sun and the observer (when it is flat). So if it is never between it, then regardless of how opaque or “non-opaque” it is, it can never block any light coming from it. Right? Can you explain/describe how the ground blocks light when it isn’t ever between the light and the observer?
IVE SEENS TONS OF VIDEO OF ITEMS DISPPEARING BOTTTOM FIRST OVER 50 FEET ON A TOTALLY FLAT FLOOR
Me too! But when i try to replicate them, i can’t. Have you tried to replicate any of them? Videos can be misleading, and i prefer to validate things myself - not trust the tv [screens] - don’t you agree?
Also in those videos the item is usually right against the surface of the flat plane, not above it and allowing perspective to make the two appear to converge - so it isn’t really analogous to what you think is happening with the sunset. The sun is always FAR above the ground, even when it appears (due to perspective) to be close to it.
“but you think depth exists in 2D” GOOD
No, it isn’t good to think things that are clearly wrong. Depth does not exist in 2D - by definition/convention. It doesn’t matter how far that 2D plane is from you - there is NO depth in it nor is depth possible in 2D.
YEAH FOR A SHIP 10 MILES AWAY, SURE, BUT THE SUN IS MUCH MUCH FURTHER AWAY
That’s exactly my point. no amount of magnification can restore the “occulted” part of the boat once it has partially “set over the horizon”. Of course the bottom of the sun, although certainly much further away, can ALSO not be restored for the same reasons. The light from the bottom of it is simply not reaching the observer anymore. no amount of magnification/optics could ever change/fix that.
WELL IF DEPTH IS AN ANGLE, WHERE DOES THIS ANGLE END
It isn’t an angle, but i understand what you mean when you say that. Depth is a linear dimension, along with height and width. Perceived/experiential depth is caused by parallax from the difference between what the left and right eyes see. Your “depth angle” conception requires two eyes to be sensical.
Yes, there is a distance at which objects do not exhibit noticeable parallax and so we do not experience noticeable depth as a result (although, as i said - the brain has other tricks to infer depth when that detail is missing - light/shadow etc.). This distance is NOT the diffraction limit, and beyond it objects still shrink in apparent size as they recede for all the same reasons they do when they are closer. You may be correct about other things you are saying, but these things are plainly and demonstrably wrong.
“Experiential depth is from parallax” STOP MAKING UP WORDS THAT MEAN SHIT, PARRALAX IS COMPARING ONE VIWW TO ANOTHER
Yes, exactly! I recognize that the word parallax is not usually a word applied to visual/experiential depth, but it is completely appropriate when you understand what parallax is. Your brain compares the one view from the left eye, to the one view from the right eye - and that is how it generates experiential depth! Haven’t you ever wondered how 3D glasses work?
, AND DEPTH IS NOT DUE TO YOU HAVING TWO EYES, WE WENT OVER THIS
Depth IS due to having two eyes, and we DID go over this. But effective communication (and education, beyond that) requires repetition! Don’t you remember? :)
OBVIUOSLY YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFACTION LIMIT IS POOR
Perhaps, but i know what it is and didn’t simply make up a new definition for it (or worse, pick it up from someone else who also didn’t know what it meant). Why can’t/won’t you just look it up?
wHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE DEFINITIONS IN THE DICTIONARY ARE PERFECT ALL THE TIME
Nowhere! And i am perfectly fine with redefining words when there is a good reason to, or even just arbitrarily for the purposes of a conversation / effective communication. Your pride is the only thing preventing you from admitting (and even recognizing!) that the common definition (that everyone else knows and uses) for opaque is the opposite of the one you use. Why not just admit it, and move on?
WHY DO YOU ASSUME IM UNCORMFORTABLE
I don’t assume! You are demonstrating it through your embarrassing behavior :( You are also literally saying it when you say this conversation is “rape”. Unless you are most comfortable when being raped?
IVE ASKED YOU 6 TIMES TO STOP BUGGING ME WITH YOUR MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF REALITY
And yet your foolish pride doesn’t allow you to simply stop responding yourself - which would have ended this “conversation” immediately! I’m using your weakness against you, for your own benefit, and i do it out of love for the subject and for you brother or sister!
I assure you, though this discussion is very difficult for you - it will benefit us both if you continue it. It will not be so uncomfortable if you can just calm down and discuss logically/rationally. We are talking about objective reality, and there is no reason to be emotional - even when you are wrong! Pride is a fool’s fortress and shame’s cloak - cast it off if you can and you will be better for it!