And how would you expect that to work in industries where even one plant is an endeavor costing hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars to build and equip?

I expect that such giant enterprises will eventually become obsolete, because of technological development.

Do the workers just pool their money together to buy a factory and then fight over who actually gets to run things?

It does not matter who owns a factory. Important thing how many effort of people who run and//or own that factory is dumped into different state and "business" stuff that is not essential for real production.

Those would all still exist though.

But they should not be so expensive.

What is impossible about that goal?

There always will be people who will find a way to get everything they need without begging from authorities.

A bit of a stretch that people being worked to their fullest means everyone starves(and then nobody to work the factories and farms?)

Could you imagine that people could work on farm for fun? Just because they like that way of living. And they don't need to work hard to cover their needs and have some excess for trade. But when a state force them to work hard for food by all that stupid legislations, taxes, licenses and other shit, they have no reason to continue. It is no more fun in that thing, when you have to spent days talking with unpleasant and useless people just to buy some nitrate fertilizer.

The same is with factory and any other business.

So, the attempts of state to force people work for food killing any motivation. Work without motivation is a direct way to fall of productivity, quality and all that things not very important for state. Eventually there will be no decent food or goods to work for. And that's the end.

And how would you expect that to work in industries where even one plant is an endeavor costing hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars to build and equip?

I expect that such giant enterprises will eventually become obsolete, because of technological development.

Do the workers just pool their money together to buy a factory and then fight over who actually gets to run things?

It does not matter who owns a factory. Important thing how many effort of people who run and own that factory is dumped into different state and "business" stuff that is not essential for real production.

Those would all still exist though.

But they should not be so expensive.

What is impossible about that goal?

There always will be people who will find a way to get everything they need without begging from authorities.

A bit of a stretch that people being worked to their fullest means everyone starves(and then nobody to work the factories and farms?)

Could you imagine that people could work on farm for fun? Just because they like that way of living. And they don't need to work hard to cover their needs and have some excess for trade. But when a state force them to work hard for food by all that stupid legislations, taxes, licenses and other shit, they have no reason to continue. It is no more fun in that thing, when you have to spent days talking with unpleasant and useless people just to buy some nitrate fertilizer.

The same is with factory and any other business.

So, the attempts of state to force people work for food killing any motivation. Work without motivation is a direct way to fall of productivity, quality and all that things not very important for state. Eventually there will be no decent food or goods to work for. And that's the end.

And how would you expect that to work in industries where even one plant is an endeavor costing hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars to build and equip?

I expect that such giant enterprises will eventually become obsolete, because of technological development.

Do the workers just pool their money together to buy a factory and then fight over who actually gets to run things?

It does not matter who owns a factory. Important thing how many effort of people who run and own that factory is dumped into different state stuff that is not necessary for real production.

Those would all still exist though.

But they should not be so expensive.

What is impossible about that goal?

There always will be people who will find a way to get everything they need without begging from authorities.

A bit of a stretch that people being worked to their fullest means everyone starves(and then nobody to work the factories and farms?)

Could you imagine that people could work on farm for fun? Just because they like that way of living. And they don't need to work hard to cover their needs and have some excess for trade. But when a state force them to work hard for food by all that stupid legislations, taxes, licenses and other shit, they have no reason to continue. It is no more fun in that thing, when you have to spent days talking with unpleasant and useless people just to buy some nitrate fertilizer.

The same is with factory and any other business.

So, the attempts of state to force people work for food killing any motivation. Work without motivation is a direct way to fall of productivity, quality and all that things not very important for state. Eventually there will be no decent food or goods to work for. And that's the end.