Then why do you link to a list that says it's one of the indicators that socialism is taking over?

And if we can agree that child factory labor should be abolished, what about other things on that list? Can we then say, progressive taxation is probably a good idea and not necessarily just a step toward Marxism? Can't we say that some things on that list are good things and so we implement them and some things aren't (like for example confiscation of all private property), so we don't adopt them?

And if that's true then isn't the claim that are getting closer to a communist takeover false? Isn't it true that some things on that list, we all just pretty much universally agree are good things? Abolishing child labor, progressive taxation, public education. The other things on that list aren't happening, as I demonstrated.

nd as far as corporations go they aren’t the opposite they are are result of corporate WELFARE and couldn’t exist with out it.

I agree with this. Absolutely. But then why do you support Trump who extended corporate welfare to agricultural corporations? Don't all the political elites, including Trump, support corporate welfare?

ey are actually almost just like communism where they run everything through monopolies and taxes provided by the people just what happens with government monopoly which is what communism calls for.

But they aren't communist. They are capitalist. They are founded on capitalistic principles. They are not owned by the public. The public does not make decisions regarding what to do with the fruits of their endeavors. The public does not decide what their workers get paid. The public has no say whatsoever into what those corporations do with their profits, mostly siphoned off labor, except to the extent that the government imposes regulations on those corporations. But yet it's your side that opposes those regulations that are the only way the public has a say in what those corporations do. That's not at all like communism. It is exactly the opposite of communism. The private sector controls all decisions while the public sector subsidizes it. That's not communism in any way shape or form.

So on that list of 10 items that show how far we've come toward Marxism, which ones do you actually agree with and which ones do you oppose? It's a bit confusing now.

Then why do you link to a list that says it's one of the indicators that socialism is taking over?

And if we can agree that child factory labor should be abolished, what about other things on that list? Can we then say, progressive taxation is probably a good idea and not necessarily just a step toward Marxism? Can't we say that some things on that list are good things and so we implement them and some things aren't (like for example confiscation of all private property), so we don't adopt them?

And if that's true then isn't the claim that are getting closer to a communist takeover false? Isn't it true that some things on that list, we all just pretty much universally agree are good things? Abolishing child labor, progressive taxation, public education. The other things on that list aren't happening, as I demonstrated.

nd as far as corporations go they aren’t the opposite they are are result of corporate WELFARE and couldn’t exist with out it.

I agree with this. Absolutely. But then why do you support Trump who extended corporate welfare to agricultural corporations? Don't all the political elites, including Trump, support corporate welfare?

ey are actually almost just like communism where they run everything through monopolies and taxes provided by the people just what happens with government monopoly which is what communism calls for.

But they aren't communist. They are capitalist. They are founded on capitalistic principles. They are not owned by the public. The public does not make decisions regarding what to do with the fruits of their endeavors. The public does not decide what their workers get paid. The public has no say whatsoever into what those corporations do with their profits, mostly siphoned off labor, except to the extent that the government imposes regulations on those corporations. But yet it's your side that opposes those regulations that are the only way the public has a say in what those corporations do. That's not at all like communism. It is exactly the opposite of communism. The private sector controls all decisions while the public sector subsidizes it. That's not communism in any way shape or form.