Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them
The victorious church in Christ is given judgment, and reigns with Jesus Christ. Thrones represent spiritual power, for these Christian souls have overcome Babylon.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Sitting with Jesus Christ in His throne is promised to those who overcome Babylon. Those who overcome, become the victorious church which is the spiritual order of the 144,000 in Chapter 14.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The spiritual order of the 144,000 have overcome the mark of the beast, they reign with Jesus Christ. The spiritual order of the 144,000 become messengers to the carnal church in Christ to overcome Babylon.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
The song of Moses is victory over Egypt. The song of the Lamb is victor over Babylon. Only the spiritual order of the 144,000 have learned the victory song.
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Share how you read it if you like. I enjoy talking about such things. My main point in that was that the mark of the beast is a spiritual mindset of Babylon that each Christian must overcome to reign with Jesus Christ.
If the mark is a mindset, how is it monitored and controlled? I agree there will be a choice and a worship element that is inward, I think they'll be able to monitor that as well, to a point.
It's not monitored and controlled by man. People under Babylon, don't know they are submitting to the course of this world. Babylon is religious, it has a false prophet that deceives the world. Those decieved, don't know they are decieved.
God calls his people out of Babylon in Revelation chapter 18. Submitting to Babylon is taking the mindset of Babylon. Submitting to the kingdom in Christ is taking the mindset of Christ.
The 666 passage and the 144,000 passage are just 3 verses apart.
666 is under Babylon.
144,000 is under Christ.
That's how the book of Revelation reads spiritually. I contend that the carnal mind can't understand the book of Revelation at all. It is a spiritual book about spiritual reality in It's entirety.
I think it's control in the physical and spiritual realm simultaneously:
Revelation 13:14-17
He deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that he is permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who had the sword wound and yet lived. He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of his name.
The victorious church in Christ is given judgment, and reigns with Jesus Christ. Thrones represent spiritual power, for these Christian souls have overcome Babylon.
Sitting with Jesus Christ in His throne is promised to those who overcome Babylon. Those who overcome, become the victorious church which is the spiritual order of the 144,000 in Chapter 14.
The spiritual order of the 144,000 have overcome the mark of the beast, they reign with Jesus Christ. The spiritual order of the 144,000 become messengers to the carnal church in Christ to overcome Babylon.
The song of Moses is victory over Egypt. The song of the Lamb is victor over Babylon. Only the spiritual order of the 144,000 have learned the victory song.
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I read the 144,000 differently.
Share how you read it if you like. I enjoy talking about such things. My main point in that was that the mark of the beast is a spiritual mindset of Babylon that each Christian must overcome to reign with Jesus Christ.
If the mark is a mindset, how is it monitored and controlled? I agree there will be a choice and a worship element that is inward, I think they'll be able to monitor that as well, to a point.
It's not monitored and controlled by man. People under Babylon, don't know they are submitting to the course of this world. Babylon is religious, it has a false prophet that deceives the world. Those decieved, don't know they are decieved.
God calls his people out of Babylon in Revelation chapter 18. Submitting to Babylon is taking the mindset of Babylon. Submitting to the kingdom in Christ is taking the mindset of Christ.
The 666 passage and the 144,000 passage are just 3 verses apart.
666 is under Babylon.
144,000 is under Christ.
That's how the book of Revelation reads spiritually. I contend that the carnal mind can't understand the book of Revelation at all. It is a spiritual book about spiritual reality in It's entirety.
I think it's control in the physical and spiritual realm simultaneously:
Revelation 13:14-17
He deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that he is permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who had the sword wound and yet lived. He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of his name.
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