Albert Pike and a chemical separation from God
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Interesting. What is Lucifer then, and is it safe to assume the masons take get additional details from gnostic texts? Does the apocrypha play a role at all?
I get what you're saying. My assumption was that Free Masonry had some structure similar to Catholicism, in the sense that what average Catholic folks believe seems to be a lot different than what the upper echelons of "the church" believe.
I can't say much more without violating my oaths. I was going to link you with a YouTube documentary (because technically I wouldn't be revealing anything that wasn't public) but I can't find it at the moment. Suffice it to say, 99% of everything on YouTube about freemasonry and what we believe/study is all sensationalized bullshit. Bullshit I fell for years ago, until I realized it was bullshit, became curious, and joined a lodge to find out. So much bullshit. I've only seen the one documentary about a specific set of "lore" which is actually 100% accurate. If I can find it and remember this comment thread I'll post it. You need a decent knowledge of biblical lore/allegory to understand it, but even if you don't have that you'll likely find it interesting.
I don't mean to prod. I'm just genuinely interested... Are you able to talk about what the oaths are (in a general sense)?
I have a solid knowledge of the Bible and a decent familiarity with the apocrypha. I believe Jesus came to set us free. And I don't think the prophecy surrounding that is coincidence. That said, I'm still curious what your thoughts are. Outside of some drunken conversations in front a bar in my younger days, I don't think I've really picked anybody's brain about the Masons who was actually in the organization. Do Freemasons follow the Bible?
...And I'm realizing that's probably not something you're super allowed to answer, so feel free to ignore it. Still curious about the oaths though.
You take an oath not to reveal the secrets of Freemasonry. Quite frankly though, you can find those secrets if you find a lodge ceremony book at used book store. A friend of mine found one recently. 50 bucks hahaha. Kind of careless of a mason to let a book wind up there, but, it is what it is.
That said though, there's many things you won't understand outside of a lodge, even with a book. Or, maybe you would.
The oath is also symbolic of various things, but I can't get into that.
As for following the Bible, no. Freemasonry is not a Christian organization. The Knights Templar is, but not the Blue Lodge. You can be Buhddist, Hindu, Christian, Muslim, and be a part of the lodge. We believe "Holy texts" are pieces of a puzzle. The only requirement is that you acknowledge and believe in some higher power which organizes the universe. I don't subscribe to a religion, but I can indeed see two forces at play in our world: order, and disorder. They are both creative forces, but seek different things. As a being created out of order, I seek order, and seek to create more order. I believe in evolutionary theory, and do not believe in any "diety". And yet, there does appear to be a "grand architect of the universe" as we masons say. A force which organizes everything, against a force which disorganizes everything, at least from our perspective.
Here's a fun question to ponder: does our planet have consciousness? It created life. It grows, changes, heals it's self. It can respond to disease, or cataclysm. What would happen if we stopped getting along with it? Would it create a circumstance where our species would die off? And then would it create a new species?
The next question is, if our planet is a supreme form of life, and is conscious, how did it become that way? These are of course debatable. But they're fun seeds for thought. :)
There's a knights templar organization? Is that part of free masonry?
You seem like somebody I'd genuinely get along with in real life. I've definitely had a lot of these thoughts. Granted, at this point in my life, we disagree over some stuff, but I bet we'd have a good conversation over a beer.
Like, I don't think the earth has consciousness. I think... well here... I believe this verse in Hebrews -
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
I know the Bible tends to jam people up when they don't believe in it. World's greatest cliche and all that. But I'm not trying to preach to you as much as I'm trying to support my idea here, because I know the idea of organized religion is nuts.
You ever looked into the non-biblical evidence we got of Jesus' existence? If you haven't, check it out sometime man, read what Tacitus wrote. It verifies a bunch of biblical accounts. It's quoted in the first part of this article (which I admittedly haven't read in its entirety).
https://reasonabletheology.org/jesus-outside-the-bible-1-tacitus/
If you can get yourself convinced Jesus existed in a historical sense, then read the prophecy we got on Jesus that we know came before his arrival (thanks to the dead sea scrolls), like daniel 9 just as one example.
I think there's a reason talking about Jesus still gets people so worked up regardless of what side of the fence they're on. And I honestly don't believe it's just because Christianity was the world's most successful cult. I think we live in a supernatural world we hardly understand.