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posted 2 years ago by qclick 2 years ago by qclick +5 / -15
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– dontkillmehillary 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

From Daniel 9:

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah the Prince there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and a trench, but in a troubled time. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing.

From Isaiah 53: ” He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

So if you are a Jew and believe in the prophets Daniel and Isaiah, the Messiah must come before the fall of the second temple (70AD) and Jews will forsake him.

For Jews, the Messiah came and he was ignored and the prophecy fulfilled.

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– dontkillmehillary 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Isaiah clearly says the Messiah will be killed by his own people:

53;7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Not all Jews contributed to plotting against and insisting on the death of Jesus. Only the Pharisees did this. The other Jews like the Sadducees and Essenes presumably converted to follow Jesus after his resurrection.

And Jesus was a Jew. Most of his apostles were Jews. In fact most of the people he preached to were Jews. The Jews killed a Jew. That's not slander.

But to turn Jesus into a god and then claim that the Jews "killed god" is the biggest slander you can ever make against any humans on this Earth.

Jesus was not turned into a god and he even accepted he was not "good". See Mark 10:18 Jesus states that only 'The Father' is good.

It's an idiots conclusion is that no one could kill the Messiah. If God is all powerful, and chose to be killed, or even choose to let the Messiah die, how could that be impossible? Mortal death for God is irrelevant because God is eternal. Likewise, it's God that determines what lives, dies, and even what defines death.

So while God could chose to die a thousand times in the meat-sack body he chooses to drive on Earth, his essence is immortal.

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– dontkillmehillary 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

God literally defines what death is and is not. Your argument on this is meaningless.

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