Isaiah clearly says the Messiah will be killed by his own people:
53;7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
Not all Jews contributed to plotting against and insisting on the death of Jesus. Only the Pharisees did this. The other Jews like the Sadducees and Essenes presumably converted to follow Jesus after his resurrection.
And Jesus was a Jew. Most of his apostles were Jews. In fact most of the people he preached to were Jews. The Jews killed a Jew. That's not slander.
But to turn Jesus into a god and then claim that the Jews "killed god" is the biggest slander you can ever make against any humans on this Earth.
Jesus was not turned into a god and he even accepted he was not "good". See Mark 10:18 Jesus states that only 'The Father' is good.
It's an idiots conclusion is that no one could kill the Messiah. If God is all powerful, and chose to be killed, or even choose to let the Messiah die, how could that be impossible? Mortal death for God is irrelevant because God is eternal. Likewise, it's God that determines what lives, dies, and even what defines death.
So while God could chose to die a thousand times in the meat-sack body he chooses to drive on Earth, his essence is immortal.
That's cool. Feel free to dance around the issue regarding DNA and religion all you want. I'm personally going with if The Son of God calls himself a Jew, then he was probably a Jew. But maybe he wasn't, but it's irrelevant because the coming of the Messiah effectively eliminates the necessity to identify as a Jew, as proper adherence to the principals of the Mosaic tradition would require Jews to convert to Christianity.
And before you object on that topic, I'll save you some time - Christ is the Greek term for Messiah. So, once the Messiah returns devout Jews should have converted to "Messiahism" or as we call it, Christianity - like the Sadducees and Essenes likely did.
So why are you trying to define death by claiming Jesus died?
Because 'Jesus' held a physical body. By his own words, his spirit was endless See Juke 24:39. His body died and he resurrected - you are the one who has been insisting death is some kind of final "never coming back" result. However Jesus personally resurrected multiple people, and also others were resurrected when Jesus did see Matthew 27:52-53.
Humans define death in a certain way. Since god defines death, then Jesus didn't die because gods definition of death is allegedly (according to you) different than the definition that humans use.
Correct, according to the Gospels Jesus died (in the way humans define it - your words) and then resurrected. There is no contradiction. God defines what is and is not death, and because God determines the rules of the universe, God can change those rules whenever he wants. There is no immorality in this, because it is God who defines morality.
So, I think I've played a pretty fair game with you so far, and I think it's my turn to start asking a couple of questions. 1) What religion do you identify with? I can't continue to discuss this with you unless I understand what perspective you are arguing from. 2) What are your personal interpretations of 'afterlife'?
Isaiah clearly says the Messiah will be killed by his own people:
53;7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
Not all Jews contributed to plotting against and insisting on the death of Jesus. Only the Pharisees did this. The other Jews like the Sadducees and Essenes presumably converted to follow Jesus after his resurrection.
And Jesus was a Jew. Most of his apostles were Jews. In fact most of the people he preached to were Jews. The Jews killed a Jew. That's not slander.
Jesus was not turned into a god and he even accepted he was not "good". See Mark 10:18 Jesus states that only 'The Father' is good.
It's an idiots conclusion is that no one could kill the Messiah. If God is all powerful, and chose to be killed, or even choose to let the Messiah die, how could that be impossible? Mortal death for God is irrelevant because God is eternal. Likewise, it's God that determines what lives, dies, and even what defines death.
So while God could chose to die a thousand times in the meat-sack body he chooses to drive on Earth, his essence is immortal.
Except he refers to himself as a Jew multiple times. He even refers to himself as the Messiah which is a Jewish title.
That's cool. Feel free to dance around the issue regarding DNA and religion all you want. I'm personally going with if The Son of God calls himself a Jew, then he was probably a Jew. But maybe he wasn't, but it's irrelevant because the coming of the Messiah effectively eliminates the necessity to identify as a Jew, as proper adherence to the principals of the Mosaic tradition would require Jews to convert to Christianity.
And before you object on that topic, I'll save you some time - Christ is the Greek term for Messiah. So, once the Messiah returns devout Jews should have converted to "Messiahism" or as we call it, Christianity - like the Sadducees and Essenes likely did.
God literally defines what death is and is not. Your argument on this is meaningless.
Because 'Jesus' held a physical body. By his own words, his spirit was endless See Juke 24:39. His body died and he resurrected - you are the one who has been insisting death is some kind of final "never coming back" result. However Jesus personally resurrected multiple people, and also others were resurrected when Jesus did see Matthew 27:52-53.
Correct, according to the Gospels Jesus died (in the way humans define it - your words) and then resurrected. There is no contradiction. God defines what is and is not death, and because God determines the rules of the universe, God can change those rules whenever he wants. There is no immorality in this, because it is God who defines morality.
So, I think I've played a pretty fair game with you so far, and I think it's my turn to start asking a couple of questions. 1) What religion do you identify with? I can't continue to discuss this with you unless I understand what perspective you are arguing from. 2) What are your personal interpretations of 'afterlife'?