Update: March 22, 2022
Stating or implying that a 'transgender woman is a biological male' will result in a perm ban from r/conspiracy as it appears the mod team considers this a TOS violation.
Human biology and science is to be classified as 'hate speech'.
It also appears you will be banned for submissions or discussion of
- CIS women that feel disenfranchised by transgender women receiving women's awards or competing in women's sports
The mods will not clarify whether discussing LGBTQ topics results in a ban, but by the evasive nature and continuous gaslighting it seems someone on the mod team does not want civil debate or any discussion on controversial topics.
Instead the mod prefers to run a honeypot permanently banning users that make submissions or discuss topics on a mod's private blacklist.
No matter of compromise would appease the lead mod who appeared to be putting on theater display.
Asking for clarification on blacklisted topics to prevent future misunderstanding and bans for wrongthink received additional evasive responses and gaslighting.
Suggesting mods should be open and honest with users about banned topics makes you a TMOR shill that wants the sub banned.
I did manage to get one honest reply.
Updated PM appeal:
short update:
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Full PM chain updated:
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Seems like there are a lot of old mods here and I remember u/axolotl_peyotl being pushed out under strange circumstance.
Summary:
Perm banned from r/conspiracy about 4 days ago
I asked why I was perm banned and what specifically in my submission and submission statement was a TOS violation for 'hate speech'.
I was never contacted or sanctioned by Admin.
This was 100% mod action..
To be honest I never anticipated the mod team Orwellian newspeak, mental gymnastics, dodging, projection, and gaslighting. I never once got a clear honest answer to what specifically in my submission or submission statement was a TOS violation.
Presumably if you engage in civil debate on r/conspiracy you will be perm banned if you raise the question of CIS women potentially being disenfranchised by biological men identifying as transgender women in awards and competitions .
The old public modlog is also offline, for how long who knows, but it seems like the mods over there currently in charge have two sets of rules (public, private) and do not like transparency.
A small passage from the pm
I repeatedly stated I was willing to compromise and post within the confines of a sandbox. I just asked what are blacklisted topics or how my submission was in violation something you refuse to respond to. You say use nuance, but then don't define what that means. You can't say follow the rules, when rules are unstated, unspecified, or ambiguous especially with respect to hidden blacklists.
PM chain appeal: LONG
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Submission:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/tfgmpv/women_of_the_year/
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Submission statement:
USA (Today) announced their women of the year.
Included in the list was Biden's Ast. Sec HHS Rachel Levine. As more and more awards for women continue to be handed to biological men, you have to wonder at what point women begin to feel disenfranchised by a rigged system.
Tweet:
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1503747553669623818
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1504004683639111682
USA Today column
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinion/2022/03/13/rachel-levine-honoree-usa-today-women-of-the-year/6600134001/
Ok so those mods may well be compromised for all I know, in fact I find it likely just because it's reddit. Also reddit interprets it's TOS loosely if they don't like your sub and you can bet reddit does not like r/conspiracy. But reddit is also in a bit of a bind because they can't easily ban all talk of conspiracy which is wide ranging and has been a basic subject topic on the internet since the internet was created. If they banned that sub, there would be and probably already are 100s of replacements. People would just go from the main sub to all those. If reddit tried to ban all those, ti would make a bigger Orwellian looking splash than they'd probably like. Reddit's other solution would be to heavily threaten and/or compromise the existing sub as much as possible . So I would not be surprised if the sub's mods are either shilling for reddit or they are under pressure to be very very strict.
Also from my own experience as a mod, we typically just don't have enough life force to dig through hours of conversation that happened a month ago and explain every nuance of our thought process to you, especially if it was from another mod. It also does happen that other mods make decisions that I would not make. There are a lot of situations that are a grey area on enforcement. It's very hard to find mods that are not giant axxholes but also can tolerate the constant barrage of threats and insults and occasional stalkings that come from being a mod, all while not even getting paid. So I can't really nitpick every decision if I slightly disagree on something or I'd have to do that whole job myself. And I also can't tell you what exact nuance of rules or narrative you could or could not get away in the future across all moderators. We try to have an overall agreement with what is and is not allowed but each one of us has a unique brain that interprets things.
There are even times when I am feeling crabby late at night and am more of an axxhole and then in the morning I think about how I should have handled something better. There are also LOTS AND LOTS of times when I try to be really patient explaining things to complaining people only to eventually get shxt on and insulted and threatened anyway if they don't get or hear what they want. This is why experienced mods typically won't give you a long conversation, the decision is done, we are not going to risk a fight with other mods over a nuance and we know from experience that 9 out of 10 times, the person will just curse us in the end anyway, even if we spend 2 hours of our unpaid time trying to address their issue.
Certainly it's not a perfect system and I apologize to the universe for any wrong decisions I have made and toes i have stepped on over the years as mod but the reality is that these days a much larger percentage of users are somewhere between difficult to deal with and bat shxt freaking insane and there is just a limit as to how much time a mod has to spend on one person's complaint when there are 20 other issues a day that also need to be dealt with. So maybe think about a bit of compassion for mods too.
Thanks for taking time to write out a detailed response and I agree with a lot of your post.
There are various motives for modding and not everyone is a paid public relations consultant, marketing consultant, political operative, government employee, SEO, or power tripping sociopath looking out for their own interests or interests of their clients and allies.
There are in fact volunteers that have altruistic motives in online discussion forums, but those people largely are being pushed out by the former group. Moderation can be a thankless job for those that have good intentions. Not many recognize that.
What I generally don't appreciate are people that frequently gaslight, lie, project, dodge, shift blame, and are generally evasive while abusing their position of authority that insult my intelligence.
Most mods do not apologize even when they make mistakes. A lot of narcissists are drawn to positions of power and crave it.