Richard Alpert recalls giving his guru in the Himalayas several (4?) doses of extremely potent lsd and it having no perceivable effect. Anecdotal, sure. But the secrets of the mind seem to be buried in these remote areas and disciplines.
Hah, I forget where, but I read a similar anecdote once, I can’t remember who it was about but it basically boiled down to “this was his normal state of being”.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there was some real overlap between “psychedelic” and “spiritual” phenomena. Anecdotally that seems clear, but it would always help to have some quality data. Unfortunately this kind of research threatens to upturn too much of “modern society” that it never gets funded and stays relegated to “woo”
I almost put exactly that but I couldn't remember if I read that or came to that conclusion myself.
I think that was exactly the message tho. Richard claimed the problem with acid was he always came down. He wanted to find a way to stay in that state and that search led him to the Himalayas where he met neem karoli baba, his guru. He eventually learned how to attain that state naturally through meditation, and returned to the states as Baba Ram Dass, essential preaching the path to get there.
I feel like psychedelics just show you that state of existence is real. You can get there on your own.
As Timothy Leary said regarding psychedelics, once you get the message, hang up the phone.
I bet there is too. I have read about people who can enter psychedelic mental states voluntarily and without substances, once they become familiar with them.
Richard Alpert recalls giving his guru in the Himalayas several (4?) doses of extremely potent lsd and it having no perceivable effect. Anecdotal, sure. But the secrets of the mind seem to be buried in these remote areas and disciplines.
Hah, I forget where, but I read a similar anecdote once, I can’t remember who it was about but it basically boiled down to “this was his normal state of being”.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there was some real overlap between “psychedelic” and “spiritual” phenomena. Anecdotally that seems clear, but it would always help to have some quality data. Unfortunately this kind of research threatens to upturn too much of “modern society” that it never gets funded and stays relegated to “woo”
I almost put exactly that but I couldn't remember if I read that or came to that conclusion myself.
I think that was exactly the message tho. Richard claimed the problem with acid was he always came down. He wanted to find a way to stay in that state and that search led him to the Himalayas where he met neem karoli baba, his guru. He eventually learned how to attain that state naturally through meditation, and returned to the states as Baba Ram Dass, essential preaching the path to get there.
I feel like psychedelics just show you that state of existence is real. You can get there on your own.
As Timothy Leary said regarding psychedelics, once you get the message, hang up the phone.
I bet there is too. I have read about people who can enter psychedelic mental states voluntarily and without substances, once they become familiar with them.