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Then why do you link to a list that says it's one of the indicators that socialism is taking over?
And if we can agree that child factory labor should be abolished, what about other things on that list? Can we then say, progressive taxation is probably a good idea and not necessarily just a step toward Marxism? Can't we say that some things on that list are good things and so we implement them and some things aren't (like for example confiscation of all private property), so we don't adopt them?
And if that's true then isn't the claim that are getting closer to a communist takeover false? Isn't it true that some things on that list, we all just pretty much universally agree are good things? Abolishing child labor, progressive taxation, public education. The other things on that list aren't happening, as I demonstrated.
I agree with this. Absolutely. But then why do you support Trump who extended corporate welfare to agricultural corporations? Don't all the political elites, including Trump, support corporate welfare?
But they aren't communist. They are capitalist. They are founded on capitalistic principles. They are not owned by the public. The public does not make decisions regarding what to do with the fruits of their endeavors. The public does not decide what their workers get paid. The public has no say whatsoever into what those corporations do with their profits, mostly siphoned off labor, except to the extent that the government imposes regulations on those corporations. But yet it's your side that opposes those regulations that are the only way the public has a say in what those corporations do. That's not at all like communism. It is exactly the opposite of communism. The private sector controls all decisions while the public sector subsidizes it. That's not communism in any way shape or form.
So on that list of 10 items that show how far we've come toward Marxism, which ones do you actually agree with and which ones do you oppose? It's a bit confusing now.
They'd still make more money. Most of the high tax brackets are imposed after a threshold, for example, after your first $10 million, you can be taxed at higher rate. I don't see any problem with that at all. Why shouldn't people who are benefitting the most from our system pay more back into our system? It's not just their hard work that allows their enrichment, it's the rule of law and all of society that maintains a system that allows that accumulation of wealth.
But that's beside the point. Sure you don't agree with a progressive tax rate, but is it a sign that we're getting closer to a Stalinist state? That's what you said. I don't think so. Just like abolishing child factory labor and public schools, it's just a good idea.
I'm not arguing for communism. I am arguing against your assertion that we are closer to being a Stalinist state. Or that liberal policies are necessarily steps toward that.
Ok, sure, I agree with that. So there's one thing, Trump raised that as an issue. Do you know if that policy stopped? Well, I just looked into this and it turns out that the Post Office gets a huge profit from this deal with Amazon, so that actually helps us taxpayers it seems. The Post Office reports like $1.6 billion in profits from Amazon alone. Yes, there were uncaptured profits because of the lower deal and it still feels wrong to me. But we as the public don't "lose" anything by this deal, as it turns out.
But there's that. Trump did mention this Amazon deal. Amazon's building it's own delivery service now so it won't be a problem soon. The USPS just won't get that business anymore.