Implementation of a sustainable vaccine passport system would also require substantial administration. Agreements on passport standards including testing and documentation would have to be made internationally.
The financial burden to implement this successfully, especially in a post 2020 "we had two lock-downs and fucked our economy" world is significant. A separate monitoring system, production/publishing facility, security protocols, staffing, enforcement, etc... all of these thing would create a passport system costing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars each year. This would also apply to each country enacting a vaccine passport system.
Furthermore successful administration of a vaccine passport system would require equivalent standards on not only the country accepting the vaccine passport traveler, but also the nation from the where the travel resides. The only other solution to this would be to grant exemptions (see argument 1) or limit travel to only those nations participating in the vaccine passport systems who share equivalent standards and procedure.
The cost of this process slowly becomes astronomical and enforcement almost impossible.
Instead, a much easier and financially flexible system would be to require only those without a vaccine to carry identifying papers of their lack of vaccination. These paper could be disposed of upon successful vaccination by a registered medical facility.
The problem this creates, however, is that in 2021 personal responsibility is in the toilet, so relying on citizens to carry such papers, or trusting that papers carried by those who are and are not vaccinated are not forgeries becomes difficult to impossible to enforce yet again, unless there is substantial financial investment, which yet again prevents participation by 3rd world nations (see argument 1).
Instead, a much more reliable and enforceable system is to require a visual system of identification. In this system those who are not, or cannot receive a vaccine would be required to maintain mask wearing and would be easily identifiable by those vaccinated (or at risk) to ensure they can maintain their personal safety and still maintain the liberties of those who refuse the vaccination.
In a case like this, perhaps a yellow star, or similar badge would be required to be worn by the un-vaccinated. With such an identifier it would be very easy to limit those individuals from entering "high risk" areas such as shopping malls, medical facilities (unless properly quarantined), restaurants, and social events. As the choice to be vaccinated lays with the individual, the government therefore would be exempt of accusations of racism, classism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, etc.
Another extremely useful advantage to having the un-vaccinated wear the yellow star identifier is that it would be very easy to identify these potential virus spreaders and could be implemented to restrict access to the unvaccinated from specific workplaces due to their high risk of viral spread. Specific workplaces like medical facilities, food preparation, event management and so forth would be exempt from hiring the un-vaccinated. Safe, and low viral transmission work places such as garbage collection, recycling, chemical extraction, an so forth could be reserved for the un-vaccinated, and the yellow star would alleviate the uncomfortable question about vaccines during the interview and hiring process, thereby ensuring proper racial, sexual, social equity.
By expanding this process, limitations on where the un-vaccinated reside could be implemented thereby ensuring that those of high risk viral transmission only remain in their residential "safety bubble" and no longer would present a risk to greater society. Residential "blocks" or "neighborhoods" can be created for the yellow star wearing un-vaccinated, and this would also allow for special shopping and social districts which would be specially designed for these individuals.
The solution is inexpensive, highly visible, and efficient.
There is already historical examples of this which our societies can draw upon.
Well, the un-vaccinated could provide cheap labor also. We could organized high-risk underground production facilities which would keep the filthy ones away from the healthy population.
Remember! It's a choice to be vaccinated or not. Kinda like it's a choice of what shops you visit, what religion you practice, or what political affiliation you might have, or what sex you find attractive.
Here is the forthcoming problem with "Vaccine Passports";
How does the international community plan to address travel passports for those nations who either a) fail to provide passports to citizens, b) cannot financially afford to provide passports to citizens, or c) cannot logistically provide passports to citizens?
Take, for example, a country like DR of Congo. Much of their country is poor, remote, and uneducated. Even If the nation has the capability (financially and logistically) to deliver a vaccine, many of the people would still be unable to receive it due to their own personal limitations (lack of communication, transport, personal finances, etc).
There are millions of people around the world living in nations where vaccine delivery would be a very difficult accomplishment, even in 2021 with 1st world nation support.
Given this, "exemptions" would be needed to be made for these nations in order to ensure global travel equity. Failure to do so would be racist and classist.
Considering that those nations who would require a vaccine passport exemption... like the Democratic Republic of Congo (as an example), are in many cases the very same nations which are the birthplace of some of the deadliest viruses on the planet (Ebola in DR Congo's case), then the desired effect of a vaccine passport is eliminated, rendering the vaccine passport a completely useless piece of paper, except for limiting and controlling travel of those nations where the risk of viral emergence is negligible.
So the only way to ensure a viable and sustainable vaccine passport is to maintain racist and classist international policies which the WHO and UN are currently funneling the most of their money into combating.
It's a step towards the end.
We are Sleepwalking into decades of lockdowns and its not covid its climate change. The wealthy will be free as the normal, sick and the pore will be culled of and priced out of any flying good food ect. We are fucked. Trump was the trojan horse to get us here.
I don't believe this about Trump. I think he was a genuine "outsider" who was able to catch a glimpse behind the Wizards curtain and tried to tell us all about it. TPTB knew this, and set out to destroy not only him, but any of his followers as a lesson to the rest of the herd. Comply or be punished.
Trump was too weak to carry out what needed to be done. Too weak because he didn't have the internal support system politically (due to internal corruption) to carry out what needed to be done to rectify the system (eg. the court system is clearly compromised), or too weak because he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to commit the proper military resources to correcting the corruption, or too weak to face the inevitable international military attacks against a weakened revolting and violence torn US state.
Unless... something else is going on none of us plebs are aware of. Digital Joe, admissions of plea bargains on Presidential broadcasts, military purges, lack of press access to the POTUS, and everything else that's been getting documented on sites like this tells me something fucky is going on but we don't have enough information to accurately connect dots. Yet.
Trump never said get the vaccine but realalisticly he had to do something to mollify the millions of idiots that public schools weed wasy times and lack of mental health help has created.
I'm personally nursing the theory that Trump was going to do what we thought he was going to do, but something changed the decision. I suspect probably China or Russia or someone else threatened to nuke the living shit out of the USA the very second Trump secured power, and this made him back down.
Or possibly, they threatened his family? It's not like there isn't a strange number of suicides connected to Democrat political opponents.
That's exactly what I'd say before.
If you think about 1 thing. Why did trump and his family get the vaccine and keep that information quit?
I'm not having ago at yiu sorry. I'm just saying I was there and you making excuses for the billionair politician is a bit strange. No one threatened him, no one stole anything. When we start the climate change lockdowns we will cry to get him back we are divided more than ever, it's the 000000.1% who rule us all that trump is part of. He isn't with us, iv followed trump since the 80s and I love him. But the face is, its all pantomime even the nixon letter
Any comments I make are trying to rationalize why the most powerful human on the planet, namely the POTUS, who happens to be a billionaire with a fanatically loyal support base which includes up to 49% of the civilian population and at least the Marine Corps, Navy, Spaceforce and Army (not sure about the Air Force) would simply say "fuck it" and walk away from the aforementioned most powerful position on Earth job when it was painfully obviously stolen from him in the most obvious corrupt manner possible.
Even if Trump was a stooge for TPTB, its fucked up that he would simply give up power, risk imprisonment for himself and his family, and rely only on a corrupt court system to vindicate his victory.
Don't you think it's a little weird? Would any previous President following a tenure of fanatical support and financial success just "give up"?
History is full of attempted coups stopped dead in their tracks by powerful leaders with overwhelming military and citizen support, but not this time? That's a little fucked up.
So, I can only conclude from this right now that either a) something else is going on and state secrets like this aren't shared on the internet, b) he tried and failed due to a much deeper and nefarious lack of support, or c) he chickened out at Zero hour because of threats to himself, or the nation which I genuinely believe he loves.
As for the vaccine, this is something he's promoted since September/October with Operation Warp Speed and it would be a little suspicious if the guy promoting a vaccine suddenly bails when it's his turn. He's had Covid, so he doesn't need a vaccine, so any vaccinations for himself are purely for show and carries an ulterior motive. So, if he did indeed get the vaccine he didn't need, I assume it was just to support his credibility and support his efforts actually getting the vaccine to market.
If he's smart, he lied about getting the vaccine. If not, I suspect he will grow a tail by December like the rest of them.
People who accurately predicted the future used to be called "prophets."
u/#alex
Argument 2:
Implementation of a sustainable vaccine passport system would also require substantial administration. Agreements on passport standards including testing and documentation would have to be made internationally.
The financial burden to implement this successfully, especially in a post 2020 "we had two lock-downs and fucked our economy" world is significant. A separate monitoring system, production/publishing facility, security protocols, staffing, enforcement, etc... all of these thing would create a passport system costing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars each year. This would also apply to each country enacting a vaccine passport system.
Furthermore successful administration of a vaccine passport system would require equivalent standards on not only the country accepting the vaccine passport traveler, but also the nation from the where the travel resides. The only other solution to this would be to grant exemptions (see argument 1) or limit travel to only those nations participating in the vaccine passport systems who share equivalent standards and procedure.
The cost of this process slowly becomes astronomical and enforcement almost impossible.
Instead, a much easier and financially flexible system would be to require only those without a vaccine to carry identifying papers of their lack of vaccination. These paper could be disposed of upon successful vaccination by a registered medical facility.
The problem this creates, however, is that in 2021 personal responsibility is in the toilet, so relying on citizens to carry such papers, or trusting that papers carried by those who are and are not vaccinated are not forgeries becomes difficult to impossible to enforce yet again, unless there is substantial financial investment, which yet again prevents participation by 3rd world nations (see argument 1).
Instead, a much more reliable and enforceable system is to require a visual system of identification. In this system those who are not, or cannot receive a vaccine would be required to maintain mask wearing and would be easily identifiable by those vaccinated (or at risk) to ensure they can maintain their personal safety and still maintain the liberties of those who refuse the vaccination.
In a case like this, perhaps a yellow star, or similar badge would be required to be worn by the un-vaccinated. With such an identifier it would be very easy to limit those individuals from entering "high risk" areas such as shopping malls, medical facilities (unless properly quarantined), restaurants, and social events. As the choice to be vaccinated lays with the individual, the government therefore would be exempt of accusations of racism, classism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, etc.
Another extremely useful advantage to having the un-vaccinated wear the yellow star identifier is that it would be very easy to identify these potential virus spreaders and could be implemented to restrict access to the unvaccinated from specific workplaces due to their high risk of viral spread. Specific workplaces like medical facilities, food preparation, event management and so forth would be exempt from hiring the un-vaccinated. Safe, and low viral transmission work places such as garbage collection, recycling, chemical extraction, an so forth could be reserved for the un-vaccinated, and the yellow star would alleviate the uncomfortable question about vaccines during the interview and hiring process, thereby ensuring proper racial, sexual, social equity.
By expanding this process, limitations on where the un-vaccinated reside could be implemented thereby ensuring that those of high risk viral transmission only remain in their residential "safety bubble" and no longer would present a risk to greater society. Residential "blocks" or "neighborhoods" can be created for the yellow star wearing un-vaccinated, and this would also allow for special shopping and social districts which would be specially designed for these individuals.
The solution is inexpensive, highly visible, and efficient.
There is already historical examples of this which our societies can draw upon.
This is some rational thinking right here. Make em all shower together too.
Well, the un-vaccinated could provide cheap labor also. We could organized high-risk underground production facilities which would keep the filthy ones away from the healthy population.
Remember! It's a choice to be vaccinated or not. Kinda like it's a choice of what shops you visit, what religion you practice, or what political affiliation you might have, or what sex you find attractive.
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Argument 1:
Here is the forthcoming problem with "Vaccine Passports";
How does the international community plan to address travel passports for those nations who either a) fail to provide passports to citizens, b) cannot financially afford to provide passports to citizens, or c) cannot logistically provide passports to citizens?
Take, for example, a country like DR of Congo. Much of their country is poor, remote, and uneducated. Even If the nation has the capability (financially and logistically) to deliver a vaccine, many of the people would still be unable to receive it due to their own personal limitations (lack of communication, transport, personal finances, etc).
There are millions of people around the world living in nations where vaccine delivery would be a very difficult accomplishment, even in 2021 with 1st world nation support.
Given this, "exemptions" would be needed to be made for these nations in order to ensure global travel equity. Failure to do so would be racist and classist.
Considering that those nations who would require a vaccine passport exemption... like the Democratic Republic of Congo (as an example), are in many cases the very same nations which are the birthplace of some of the deadliest viruses on the planet (Ebola in DR Congo's case), then the desired effect of a vaccine passport is eliminated, rendering the vaccine passport a completely useless piece of paper, except for limiting and controlling travel of those nations where the risk of viral emergence is negligible.
So the only way to ensure a viable and sustainable vaccine passport is to maintain racist and classist international policies which the WHO and UN are currently funneling the most of their money into combating.
It's a step towards the end. We are Sleepwalking into decades of lockdowns and its not covid its climate change. The wealthy will be free as the normal, sick and the pore will be culled of and priced out of any flying good food ect. We are fucked. Trump was the trojan horse to get us here.
I don't believe this about Trump. I think he was a genuine "outsider" who was able to catch a glimpse behind the Wizards curtain and tried to tell us all about it. TPTB knew this, and set out to destroy not only him, but any of his followers as a lesson to the rest of the herd. Comply or be punished.
Trump was too weak to carry out what needed to be done. Too weak because he didn't have the internal support system politically (due to internal corruption) to carry out what needed to be done to rectify the system (eg. the court system is clearly compromised), or too weak because he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to commit the proper military resources to correcting the corruption, or too weak to face the inevitable international military attacks against a weakened revolting and violence torn US state.
Unless... something else is going on none of us plebs are aware of. Digital Joe, admissions of plea bargains on Presidential broadcasts, military purges, lack of press access to the POTUS, and everything else that's been getting documented on sites like this tells me something fucky is going on but we don't have enough information to accurately connect dots. Yet.
Divide and conquer. Why did trump get the vaccine in January and not tell us?
Why did trump say anyone who went in the capital should be charged and prosecuted? Why did he make us fellons for owning bump stocks?
I love trump he was amazing to watch, but
It's simple the billionair was the biggest trojan horse ever. He was aways on there side its all misdirection.
Trump is part of what we now call the swamp it's that simple, sad but true, he will be back soon but he is not for the people as we think
Trump never said get the vaccine but realalisticly he had to do something to mollify the millions of idiots that public schools weed wasy times and lack of mental health help has created.
I'm personally nursing the theory that Trump was going to do what we thought he was going to do, but something changed the decision. I suspect probably China or Russia or someone else threatened to nuke the living shit out of the USA the very second Trump secured power, and this made him back down.
Or possibly, they threatened his family? It's not like there isn't a strange number of suicides connected to Democrat political opponents.
Yep your making excuses for him and your vote for him again. It's a cult, I'm one of the few who escaped. Sad world
The big con is the Democrats and Republicans are on the same side (once you get that your be free
Except I'm not, and it's off-base to say that I am, and you saying so is not necessary to a fruitful conversation, which we were having.
That's exactly what I'd say before.
If you think about 1 thing. Why did trump and his family get the vaccine and keep that information quit?
I'm not having ago at yiu sorry. I'm just saying I was there and you making excuses for the billionair politician is a bit strange. No one threatened him, no one stole anything. When we start the climate change lockdowns we will cry to get him back we are divided more than ever, it's the 000000.1% who rule us all that trump is part of. He isn't with us, iv followed trump since the 80s and I love him. But the face is, its all pantomime even the nixon letter
Any comments I make are trying to rationalize why the most powerful human on the planet, namely the POTUS, who happens to be a billionaire with a fanatically loyal support base which includes up to 49% of the civilian population and at least the Marine Corps, Navy, Spaceforce and Army (not sure about the Air Force) would simply say "fuck it" and walk away from the aforementioned most powerful position on Earth job when it was painfully obviously stolen from him in the most obvious corrupt manner possible.
Even if Trump was a stooge for TPTB, its fucked up that he would simply give up power, risk imprisonment for himself and his family, and rely only on a corrupt court system to vindicate his victory.
Don't you think it's a little weird? Would any previous President following a tenure of fanatical support and financial success just "give up"?
History is full of attempted coups stopped dead in their tracks by powerful leaders with overwhelming military and citizen support, but not this time? That's a little fucked up.
So, I can only conclude from this right now that either a) something else is going on and state secrets like this aren't shared on the internet, b) he tried and failed due to a much deeper and nefarious lack of support, or c) he chickened out at Zero hour because of threats to himself, or the nation which I genuinely believe he loves.
As for the vaccine, this is something he's promoted since September/October with Operation Warp Speed and it would be a little suspicious if the guy promoting a vaccine suddenly bails when it's his turn. He's had Covid, so he doesn't need a vaccine, so any vaccinations for himself are purely for show and carries an ulterior motive. So, if he did indeed get the vaccine he didn't need, I assume it was just to support his credibility and support his efforts actually getting the vaccine to market.
If he's smart, he lied about getting the vaccine. If not, I suspect he will grow a tail by December like the rest of them.