Well, thanks for taking the time to write this up.
these are some of the most crucial documents in understanding what happened in Poland without going through German or Soviet sources
Shouldn't we use all sources to get a more complete picture? Obviously the bolsheviks have a penchant for "manufacturing" warcrimes which needs to be accounted for.
Was Germany completely in the right, and just being interfered with?" or "Was Poland allied to Communism?" and so on.
As I've said, the only crime of germany is that of being successful. And yes, poland was "allied" with communism. Wether it was by subversion or otherwise there were communists in poland and they wanted war with Germany.
Poland was on high alert in the 1930s because of the rising threat of aggression from Germany, with good reason: Here is a map of German expansion prior to the war going hot; The orange is territory that Germany started with, post Versailles.
What about BEFORE versailles? Was the danzig corridor german before that? "Danzig" doesn't sound very polish to me, sounds like a german village name. I've already stated the rest of the planet got together to "slap down" Germany for basically doing what genghis khan did to Asia and connected disparate Germanic people to a successful powerhouse.
From the wiki on "bloody sunday"
"The Polish historians point out that since these losses occurred during actual combat, most of the civilian losses should be attributed to accidents common in urban combat conditions; they argue that civilian losses might have occurred when the town was attacked by the German air force (Luftwaffe).[20] Strafing of civilians in the town by the Luftwaffe is confirmed by German witnesses.[30] Nazi propaganda reinforced Polish perceptions of the German minority as hostile, and during the invasion reported that the German minority was aiding the forces. This contributed to Polish misconceptions, as the Poles were expecting the German minority to be actively hostile.[31]
An even bigger debate in the scholarship concerned the question whether—as the Polish historiography suggests—there were indeed any members of a German fifth column in the city who opened fire on the Polish troops (and if so, whether they were composed of members of the Bydgoszcz German minority or not), or whether—as critics among the German historiography argue—Polish troops (or panicking civilians) overreacted in the confusion and targeted innocent German civilians.[32] This debate has been resolved by investigation of German archives, which confirmed existence of several diversion and saboteur groups in Bydgoszcz overseen by intelligence organizations by Nazi Germany [33] Among the Germans killed in the fighting historians identified Otto Niefeldt who was an Abwehr agent from Szczecin[9] The account of Peter Nasarski alias Aurich has been called by Harry Gordon[31] one of the most thorough German accounts; his work is however generally rejected in Poland,[27] perhaps because he indiscriminately used witness statements collected by Nazi officials.[34] According to Nasarski, after police forces retreated from Bydgoszcz, agitated Polish civilians accused many Germans of assaulting Polish soldiers and executed them and any Poles who stood up in their defence.[31] Rasmus attributes the situation to confusion and the disorganised state of the Polish forces in the city.[28]
Von Frentz wrote that "In Bydgoszcz, the event was probably caused by confusion among the rapidly retreating soldiers, a general breakdown in public order and panic among the Polish majority after two German air raids and the discovery of a small reconnaissance group of the German Army on the previous day."[20] He quotes Nazi German reports about the civilian victims and atrocities, later corroborated by a Red Cross commission that the Nazis invited to the scene.[20] Von Frentz also noted that eyewitness accounts of atrocities committed against the German population are as unreliable as Polish accounts of the fifth columnists.[20] While authors like Blanke write that no ethnic Germans are known to have spoken of participation in that event, by 2007 Nazi documents were uncovered confirming that assistance, supplies and aid were given to both German saboteurs and their families[28][35] In the post-war collaboration trials, no ethnic German was charged in relation to Bloody Sunday.[20][31] Another counterargument that was made to the fifth column theory is that Polish troops were being targeted by advance units of the German regular army (Heer), or that the shots were fired by Polish soldiers in the confusion of the mass withdrawal.[28] Von Frentz claims that Polish troops and civilians massacred German civilians due to confusion.[20] Polish historians feel the German historiography is based on Nazi German sources, ignoring numerous Polish sources.[36
We can clearly see that poles have a propensity to completely disregard facts of history to push their egocentric supremacy. The Germans just say "it was Germany before the war and we want it back. They're torturing our people". The very existence of a "corridor" completely shatters your antigerman narrative.
Let's get this straight right now. The only reason the poles had any level of control over the territory was PRECISELY because of the fake "treaty" at versailles which gave them the land for being sore losers. You can't start history at fucking WW2 and pretend you're being unbiased.
the Germans demanded Czechoslovakia surrender the Sudetenland, a region inhabited primarily by the Sudeten Germans
Just like the Germans in danzig "poland", huh?
continuing on the path of expansion
Another way to say it would be "liberate occupied german territory"
Germany now looked to the East;
Germany ONLY looked to the east. Which is precisely why, when ready to take britain in ww1 offered to go back to the way things were before the war. Then the balfour declaration was signed which lead to versailles and so on. Germany saved the rest of europe from communism, for a short time.
it was Poland's only significant port and an absolutely critical trade hub to the nation.
So is ukraine to russia, yet I doubt you'll be foaming at the mouth supporting Russian annexation of ukrainian land.
It was not initiated by Poland
Arguable. The poles were on german land. They DID take what they could in the "treaty" then pretend to be innocent. That's bitch shit. If you're trying to institute an ancient "polish empire" then you sit there on your horse with feathers in your helmet and you take the full force of mechanized infantry and don't say shit. How incredibly jewish it is to steal whatever you can then pretend to be a "victim"?
war began two days later.
Again, which is why hitler had the red cross come in to do independent investigations and the poles just say "lies!!!!"?
Sounds legit
Poland actually attempted to mobilize sooner;
This disproves your narrative of "german expansion", doesn't it?
and wanted to defend against it.
That's called aggression. Preemptive "defense" is an attack. The poles aren't the innocent bystander you've been lead to believe simply because they lost.
This is where the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact comes in. As per the agreement, Germany wasn't the only country to invade Poland; the Soviets invaded from the east shortly after the Germans invaded from the West. As strong as it's resistance was, Poland had no chance to defend against both powers, given that their primary defensive lines were rivers, which, obviously, can't be used for defense both ways. That should be the final nail in the coffin of the idea that the Polish government might somehow be sympathetic to or allied with Communism
That's not a "nail in the coffin". That proves nothing. You did business with communists and in typical bolshevist jew fashion, they played you. You played the game and lost. Sore losers. Should've allied with Germany against communism but like I said, fever dreams of ancient polish empire and suckling at the teat of versailles, they got what they asked for.
the importance of the establishment of the motivations and allegiances of the Polish government lies in the understanding and interpretation of the actions of the Polish people and government,
Which was "occupy Germany and kill Germans"
as well as the original documentation of the time
Which you disregard if they aren't syphilitic poles entertaining fever dreams.
there's no picture, plan, or wartime document dealing with homicidal gas chambers or a plan to exterminate the Jews" [12:56]; something that is simply not true.
You can't state that matter of factly. You need evidence. I have it. You don't. Get evidence or get over yourself.
There is documentation from the Polish underground de
"But the poles say they own the planet. Why? Because they cant win a war, or course!"
I need actual evidence. Not "my inbred grandfather told me while stealing shekels" OK, pal?
Pilecki devised and presented a plan to infiltrate Auschwitz, gather intelligence, and organize the inmates to resist.
What you mean to say is "a bolshevist jew from russia said the jews are TOTALLY innocent.
There are no "gas chambers". The "crematorium" is a post war soviet construction and you try to source a soviet saying "believe me" as "evidence". Good Lord, the chutzpah of you bullshit artists.
this documentary, as per admittance in the documentary, is not proof that the Holocaust didn't happen.
Doesn't matter what the narrator states. Fact is this proves it's all manufactured. Germany tied to move them to Madagascar. Why don't you explain "the Madagascar plan" and how that fits into your notion of "homicidal gas chambers". Or the lack of any forensic evidence indicating mass death at Auchwitz?
"But this pole says the poles will rule the world!!!!"
That's the stereotypical "polish" attitude the communists and their cohorts in the allied powers took advantage of.
That said, as I implied before, the two greatest types of evidence we possess, and, frankly, the only evidence possible and trustworthy, is documentation from the time and reports from those that were there.
Youre wrong. "My grandpappy says give him shekels" is not "evidence". In fact, the ACTUAL evidence we DO have says the "gas chambers" are a post war soviet construction for the purpose of warcrime propaganda. "My syphilitic inbred grandpa" doesn't "debunk" the lack of prussian blue staining in the "crematorium", genius.
there is significant room for confused distortion
But not room for german claims of polish aggression, right hypocrite?
is why the Pilecki report is valuable
It's not valuable. It's certified propaganda because there were never any "gas chambers". POST WAR SOVIET CONSTRUCTION
no physical instance of a gas chamber would be proof to one that is truly skeptical
Bullshit. You're projecting your pole ignorance. The fact that they're lying about the gas chamber is proof that there was a gas chamber? Go fuck yourself. I haven't seen mental gymnastics this stupid since R Kelly claimed he was being "attacked" for being a pedophile rapist.
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if the Soviets had staged the whole thing,
I provided all the evidence to prove that. Keep crying "fake news!"
would it be hard to believe that they would have made a gas chamber themselves, executed people in it, and then presented it as evidence?
Yes. Because again.
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How many poles does it take to read a fucking sentence?
why wouldn't they have gone more over the top?
You mean like telling people they made "human soap" and "human lamp shades"? Or what about the Nazi "masterbation death machines" that TOTALLY existed. You better believe it, otherwise you're a rAcIsT.
Well, thanks for taking the time to write this up.
Shouldn't we use all sources to get a more complete picture? Obviously the bolsheviks have a penchant for "manufacturing" warcrimes which needs to be accounted for.
As I've said, the only crime of germany is that of being successful. And yes, poland was "allied" with communism. Wether it was by subversion or otherwise there were communists in poland and they wanted war with Germany.
What about BEFORE versailles? Was the danzig corridor german before that? "Danzig" doesn't sound very polish to me, sounds like a german village name. I've already stated the rest of the planet got together to "slap down" Germany for basically doing what genghis khan did to Asia and connected disparate Germanic people to a successful powerhouse.
From the wiki on "bloody sunday"
"The Polish historians point out that since these losses occurred during actual combat, most of the civilian losses should be attributed to accidents common in urban combat conditions; they argue that civilian losses might have occurred when the town was attacked by the German air force (Luftwaffe).[20] Strafing of civilians in the town by the Luftwaffe is confirmed by German witnesses.[30] Nazi propaganda reinforced Polish perceptions of the German minority as hostile, and during the invasion reported that the German minority was aiding the forces. This contributed to Polish misconceptions, as the Poles were expecting the German minority to be actively hostile.[31]
An even bigger debate in the scholarship concerned the question whether—as the Polish historiography suggests—there were indeed any members of a German fifth column in the city who opened fire on the Polish troops (and if so, whether they were composed of members of the Bydgoszcz German minority or not), or whether—as critics among the German historiography argue—Polish troops (or panicking civilians) overreacted in the confusion and targeted innocent German civilians.[32] This debate has been resolved by investigation of German archives, which confirmed existence of several diversion and saboteur groups in Bydgoszcz overseen by intelligence organizations by Nazi Germany [33] Among the Germans killed in the fighting historians identified Otto Niefeldt who was an Abwehr agent from Szczecin[9] The account of Peter Nasarski alias Aurich has been called by Harry Gordon[31] one of the most thorough German accounts; his work is however generally rejected in Poland,[27] perhaps because he indiscriminately used witness statements collected by Nazi officials.[34] According to Nasarski, after police forces retreated from Bydgoszcz, agitated Polish civilians accused many Germans of assaulting Polish soldiers and executed them and any Poles who stood up in their defence.[31] Rasmus attributes the situation to confusion and the disorganised state of the Polish forces in the city.[28]
Von Frentz wrote that "In Bydgoszcz, the event was probably caused by confusion among the rapidly retreating soldiers, a general breakdown in public order and panic among the Polish majority after two German air raids and the discovery of a small reconnaissance group of the German Army on the previous day."[20] He quotes Nazi German reports about the civilian victims and atrocities, later corroborated by a Red Cross commission that the Nazis invited to the scene.[20] Von Frentz also noted that eyewitness accounts of atrocities committed against the German population are as unreliable as Polish accounts of the fifth columnists.[20] While authors like Blanke write that no ethnic Germans are known to have spoken of participation in that event, by 2007 Nazi documents were uncovered confirming that assistance, supplies and aid were given to both German saboteurs and their families[28][35] In the post-war collaboration trials, no ethnic German was charged in relation to Bloody Sunday.[20][31] Another counterargument that was made to the fifth column theory is that Polish troops were being targeted by advance units of the German regular army (Heer), or that the shots were fired by Polish soldiers in the confusion of the mass withdrawal.[28] Von Frentz claims that Polish troops and civilians massacred German civilians due to confusion.[20] Polish historians feel the German historiography is based on Nazi German sources, ignoring numerous Polish sources.[36
We can clearly see that poles have a propensity to completely disregard facts of history to push their egocentric supremacy. The Germans just say "it was Germany before the war and we want it back. They're torturing our people". The very existence of a "corridor" completely shatters your antigerman narrative.
Let's get this straight right now. The only reason the poles had any level of control over the territory was PRECISELY because of the fake "treaty" at versailles which gave them the land for being sore losers. You can't start history at fucking WW2 and pretend you're being unbiased.
Just like the Germans in danzig "poland", huh?
Another way to say it would be "liberate occupied german territory"
Germany ONLY looked to the east. Which is precisely why, when ready to take britain in ww1 offered to go back to the way things were before the war. Then the balfour declaration was signed which lead to versailles and so on. Germany saved the rest of europe from communism, for a short time.
So is ukraine to russia, yet I doubt you'll be foaming at the mouth supporting Russian annexation of ukrainian land.
Arguable. The poles were on german land. They DID take what they could in the "treaty" then pretend to be innocent. That's bitch shit. If you're trying to institute an ancient "polish empire" then you sit there on your horse with feathers in your helmet and you take the full force of mechanized infantry and don't say shit. How incredibly jewish it is to steal whatever you can then pretend to be a "victim"?
Again, which is why hitler had the red cross come in to do independent investigations and the poles just say "lies!!!!"?
Sounds legit
This disproves your narrative of "german expansion", doesn't it?
That's called aggression. Preemptive "defense" is an attack. The poles aren't the innocent bystander you've been lead to believe simply because they lost.
That's not a "nail in the coffin". That proves nothing. You did business with communists and in typical bolshevist jew fashion, they played you. You played the game and lost. Sore losers. Should've allied with Germany against communism but like I said, fever dreams of ancient polish empire and suckling at the teat of versailles, they got what they asked for.
Which was "occupy Germany and kill Germans"
Which you disregard if they aren't syphilitic poles entertaining fever dreams.
You can't state that matter of factly. You need evidence. I have it. You don't. Get evidence or get over yourself.
"But the poles say they own the planet. Why? Because they cant win a war, or course!"
I need actual evidence. Not "my inbred grandfather told me while stealing shekels" OK, pal?
What you mean to say is "a bolshevist jew from russia said the jews are TOTALLY innocent.
There are no "gas chambers". The "crematorium" is a post war soviet construction and you try to source a soviet saying "believe me" as "evidence". Good Lord, the chutzpah of you bullshit artists.
Doesn't matter what the narrator states. Fact is this proves it's all manufactured. Germany tied to move them to Madagascar. Why don't you explain "the Madagascar plan" and how that fits into your notion of "homicidal gas chambers". Or the lack of any forensic evidence indicating mass death at Auchwitz?
"But this pole says the poles will rule the world!!!!"
That's the stereotypical "polish" attitude the communists and their cohorts in the allied powers took advantage of.
Youre wrong. "My grandpappy says give him shekels" is not "evidence". In fact, the ACTUAL evidence we DO have says the "gas chambers" are a post war soviet construction for the purpose of warcrime propaganda. "My syphilitic inbred grandpa" doesn't "debunk" the lack of prussian blue staining in the "crematorium", genius.
But not room for german claims of polish aggression, right hypocrite?
It's not valuable. It's certified propaganda because there were never any "gas chambers". POST WAR SOVIET CONSTRUCTION
Bullshit. You're projecting your pole ignorance. The fact that they're lying about the gas chamber is proof that there was a gas chamber? Go fuck yourself. I haven't seen mental gymnastics this stupid since R Kelly claimed he was being "attacked" for being a pedophile rapist.
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I provided all the evidence to prove that. Keep crying "fake news!"
Yes. Because again.
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How many poles does it take to read a fucking sentence?
You mean like telling people they made "human soap" and "human lamp shades"? Or what about the Nazi "masterbation death machines" that TOTALLY existed. You better believe it, otherwise you're a rAcIsT.
Get fucking real, dude.
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