First, I don't recommend resorting to personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen your argument. It falls flat, and is logically bankrupt.
I am not Jewish in any way; my direct ancestors fought in the allied armies during the war, and they have stories about the depravities of the war as a whole.
I have extended family, in which many members are dead from the Holocaust, and I believe (though I'd need to double check), there were some that survived the same camps that killed the others. I believe that, if you looked at any large enough Jewish family, you would find a sizable portion are "missing" as a result of the war; a good tangible place to start when affirming evidence, as the proliferation of immediately fabricated evidence amongst a widespread civilian population would be a borderline impossibility to accomplish (that is to say, second hand regurgitation and continuation of propaganda is not uncommon, but every person in a populace fabricating evidence towards the same thing is much more difficult, and, as a result, a harder claim to both believe and prove).
My family heritage is Polish. I value Polish heritage, and the Holocaust is a sizable part of that in more recent times; as is the Communist occupation of Poland, in which atrocities of similar magnitude but less direction and organization occurred. To be clear; I do not sympathize with fascism or communism; I have more reason than most Americans to despise Communism and Fascism, for my heritage is one of fighting both in favor of individualism and liberty.
Second; I never called what you have to say "hate speech"; nor do I have any objective in removal of "hate speech". I think hate speech is protected, and I think that even violent speech should be protected, but that's another thing entirely.
I'm working on a fuller response, but because I value evidence being real, it will take me some time to find the proper documentation for what I am speaking of and compile it into a comprehensive report. I'm dedicated to seeing this through, but I also have other obligations. I'll just say if you don't hear from me by Wednesday consider me conceded to what you have said; is that fair?
After all, this documentary wasn't made in a day let alone minutes.
First, I don't recommend resorting to personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen your argument
I'd recommend getting an argument first. If you came to me in actual "good faith" instead turning your nose up because your ancestors are unaccustomed to physical labor the conversation would have went very differently.
I have extended family, in which many members are dead from the Holocaust
No you do not. Nobody died in "the holocaust" because it doesn't exist.
survived the same camps that killed the others. I
They were all labor camps. Auchwitz for the IG farben factory literally across the road. Only "death camps" were in soviet (bolshevist jew) territory and they refused investigation into these until the day the soviet union fell. The bolshevist jews poked holes in an air raid shelter and called it a "crematorium". Maybe you should watch the video, bucko.
believe that, if
I don't care what your belief is. I care about the facts
missing" as a result of the war; a good tangible place to start when affirming evidence,
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And wmds in Iraq are there because we don't have evidence for it, huh?
but every person in a populace fabricating evidence towards the same thing is much more difficult, and, as a result, a harder claim to both believe and prove)
It's part of their culture. You don't act so surprised when mexicans make tamales on new years.
And how is it "difficult"? Do you know how record keeping went in the 30s IN GERMANY. You could murder someone in the 70s and move to next county over and nobody would figure it out because they didn't have fucking computers, genius. There was no tracking these people. "6 million" was considered the entire jewish population in europe at that time. They got to Nuremberg and we're asked "how many?" They said "all of us, give me shekels..... and Palestine."
My family heritage is Polish
How many poles does it take to learn history..... they dont. I'll let the jokes make themselves, I guess.
and the Holocaust is a sizable part of that
Then your "heritage" is a lie. Sorry, not sorry.
for my heritage is one of fighting both in favor of individualism and liberty.
They did get the shitty end of the stick, but then again they're leaders were entertaining fever dreams of reinstituting a polish empire. The leaders of poland were very thirsty for german blood. Ive quoted this before but it's hard to find because it does throw a gigantic monkey wrench into the "official" ww2 story, as everything does when you look close enough. Maybe I'll find it.
ut because I value evidence being real
You haven't demonstrated that so far. Why start now?
I'll just say if you don't hear from me by Wednesday consider me conceded to what you have said; is that fair?
Look, I'm not trying to be the biggest edgelord I can. I just hopped on the net decades ago wanting to know about UFOs and shit.
What do I see? Levon affair, epstein, robert Maxwell buying the schoolbooks, everything points back to israel. I would much rather be discussing electromagnetic propulsion systems but the system of jewish supremacy subverting constitutional republics around the world has much more bearing over my life.
I thought it was bullshit to, until I gave it a shot. Said "what if it's true". That's all I really want from you is to keep an open mind and take an honest look at the evidence, real evidence.
Okay, well the first thing we can do if we're going to try and debate this logically is break up the issues and understand the arguments being made. Let's first find common ground; what do you think about David Cole's modern assessments as per an interview with The Guardian:
He became convinced that on some points they were right and that as a Jew, he would undertake a quixotic quest to "correct" the historical record, arguing that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp in the manner of Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzac and Chelmno – which he acknowledged were part of a genocidal programme against Polish Jews; that the Holocaust ended in 1943, when the Nazis realised they needed Jewish slave labour for factories; and that there was no overarching, genocidal plan, but an evolving, morphing policy which claimed perhaps 4 million, rather than 6 million, Jewish lives.
(Yes, it's The Guardian, but he agreed to an interview and does not appear to have challenged their publication that I see)
From what you've seen, it's hard to know for sure; do you believe Poland was fully the aggressor? What part do you believe Germany had in the war?
What's more; what do you think about the German actions up until that point? Did they violate the Treaty of Versailles? Did they initiate a forcefully backed annexation of Austria and swaths of Czechoslovakia?
You seem to (rightfully) dislike the Soviets extensively; what do you think about the modern narrative about the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, or the (at the time, ignored and under-reported) invasion of Poland by the Soviet Union; or the Polish-Soviet war of 1919 and 1920?
You seem to question US involvement in the war against Germany; what is your take on Pearl Harbor? What do you think about the narrative of the German declaration of war against the United States?
To be clear, these questions are not meant to be antagonistic. I just want to know where you stand so I can know what points we agree on and what I can argue based upon; if you are open minded as you claim and proclaim I should be, you should accept my attempts to counter-argue, just as I am willing to take your arguments and evidence and argue based on that. IMO open mindedness doesn't just mean accepting whatever anyone says; it means debate or argument with those you disagree with, and accepting defeat if they can prove you wrong; or coming to a compromise if the truth lies between both positions.
Let's first find common ground; what do you think about David Cole's modern assessments as per an interview with The Guardian:
How is this a "modern assessment" if the guy changed his name multiple times because the zionist cadre tried to murder him for exposing their fraud? And it contradicts itself saying "yes genocidal program" to "no, they just needed cheap labor"
Is there a video of this which proves it's him? I don't believe he said any of that. Even if he did it doesn't change the fact his video full of hard science completely destroyed the narrative.
do you believe Poland was fully the aggressor
I believe the claims of the Germans responding to "aggression" on the border are more than plausible given communist infiltration. They had third party swiss doctors come in to investigate. Contrast that with the bolsheviks and the crude holes in their air raid shelter.
I mean, we can find people "calling" WW2 and it's just centuries long tensions between old kingdoms. I'll try to edit with quotes of it "being set off in the balkans".
"Otto Von Bismarck predicted the start of World war I with quote “One day the great European War will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans (1888).”
If we can point the finger at any one people, it's the bolsheviks.
What part do you believe Germany had in the war?
The only crime of germany was that of being successful.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
What's more; what do you think about the German actions up until that point? Did they violate the Treaty of Versailles
Versailles was no "treaty". They slapped Germany down for the crime of being successful. In WW1 they won. England was going to surrender when America got involved. Who got America involved? The bolsheviks for palestine. The speech by Mr Freeman I sourced above this is enlightening. This is the "first hand knowledge" which I value.
Did they initiate a forcefully backed annexation of Austria and swaths of Czechoslovakia?
I don't know off hand and I won't pretend to know every detail of the wars by memory. I also don't give a shit about every tiny european country. Germany saw communism which is really jewish bolshevism taking europe and sacrificed itself to save the rest of us. They broke the molotov ribbentrop pact because they knew the shiesty jews were waiting to sweep the continent.
what do you think about the modern narrative about the Molotov Ribbentrop pact,
What is the modern narrative? That it was a ploy? I don't know exactly what you mean but I can tell you Hitler was disgusted by the jews and was himself jewish.
what is your take on Pearl Harbor?
Was japan starving at that point? If I remember they were pretty desperate. I don't know where youre going with any of these questions.
What do you think about the narrative of the German declaration of war against the United States?
I have no idea what you're talking about. If I had to guess I would say it was more political show at the tail end of the war than anything. And the United States never declared war on "the Nazi party" it was Germany.
you should accept my attempts to counter-argue,
Ok, do it.
IMO open mindedness doesn't just mean accepting whatever anyone says; it means debate or argument with those you disagree with
That's not what's you've demonstrated with your argument of "I have family, therefore the shoah definitely happened". That's not an argument.
u/Judicator we don't call facts "hate speech" nor anectodal stories about your child touching grandpa "facts" around these parts, buckaroo.
First, I don't recommend resorting to personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen your argument. It falls flat, and is logically bankrupt.
I am not Jewish in any way; my direct ancestors fought in the allied armies during the war, and they have stories about the depravities of the war as a whole.
I have extended family, in which many members are dead from the Holocaust, and I believe (though I'd need to double check), there were some that survived the same camps that killed the others. I believe that, if you looked at any large enough Jewish family, you would find a sizable portion are "missing" as a result of the war; a good tangible place to start when affirming evidence, as the proliferation of immediately fabricated evidence amongst a widespread civilian population would be a borderline impossibility to accomplish (that is to say, second hand regurgitation and continuation of propaganda is not uncommon, but every person in a populace fabricating evidence towards the same thing is much more difficult, and, as a result, a harder claim to both believe and prove).
My family heritage is Polish. I value Polish heritage, and the Holocaust is a sizable part of that in more recent times; as is the Communist occupation of Poland, in which atrocities of similar magnitude but less direction and organization occurred. To be clear; I do not sympathize with fascism or communism; I have more reason than most Americans to despise Communism and Fascism, for my heritage is one of fighting both in favor of individualism and liberty.
Second; I never called what you have to say "hate speech"; nor do I have any objective in removal of "hate speech". I think hate speech is protected, and I think that even violent speech should be protected, but that's another thing entirely.
I'm working on a fuller response, but because I value evidence being real, it will take me some time to find the proper documentation for what I am speaking of and compile it into a comprehensive report. I'm dedicated to seeing this through, but I also have other obligations. I'll just say if you don't hear from me by Wednesday consider me conceded to what you have said; is that fair?
After all, this documentary wasn't made in a day let alone minutes.
I'd recommend getting an argument first. If you came to me in actual "good faith" instead turning your nose up because your ancestors are unaccustomed to physical labor the conversation would have went very differently.
No you do not. Nobody died in "the holocaust" because it doesn't exist.
They were all labor camps. Auchwitz for the IG farben factory literally across the road. Only "death camps" were in soviet (bolshevist jew) territory and they refused investigation into these until the day the soviet union fell. The bolshevist jews poked holes in an air raid shelter and called it a "crematorium". Maybe you should watch the video, bucko.
I don't care what your belief is. I care about the facts
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And wmds in Iraq are there because we don't have evidence for it, huh?
It's part of their culture. You don't act so surprised when mexicans make tamales on new years.
And how is it "difficult"? Do you know how record keeping went in the 30s IN GERMANY. You could murder someone in the 70s and move to next county over and nobody would figure it out because they didn't have fucking computers, genius. There was no tracking these people. "6 million" was considered the entire jewish population in europe at that time. They got to Nuremberg and we're asked "how many?" They said "all of us, give me shekels..... and Palestine."
How many poles does it take to learn history..... they dont. I'll let the jokes make themselves, I guess.
Then your "heritage" is a lie. Sorry, not sorry.
They did get the shitty end of the stick, but then again they're leaders were entertaining fever dreams of reinstituting a polish empire. The leaders of poland were very thirsty for german blood. Ive quoted this before but it's hard to find because it does throw a gigantic monkey wrench into the "official" ww2 story, as everything does when you look close enough. Maybe I'll find it.
You haven't demonstrated that so far. Why start now?
Look, I'm not trying to be the biggest edgelord I can. I just hopped on the net decades ago wanting to know about UFOs and shit.
What do I see? Levon affair, epstein, robert Maxwell buying the schoolbooks, everything points back to israel. I would much rather be discussing electromagnetic propulsion systems but the system of jewish supremacy subverting constitutional republics around the world has much more bearing over my life.
I thought it was bullshit to, until I gave it a shot. Said "what if it's true". That's all I really want from you is to keep an open mind and take an honest look at the evidence, real evidence.
Okay, well the first thing we can do if we're going to try and debate this logically is break up the issues and understand the arguments being made. Let's first find common ground; what do you think about David Cole's modern assessments as per an interview with The Guardian:
(Yes, it's The Guardian, but he agreed to an interview and does not appear to have challenged their publication that I see)
From what you've seen, it's hard to know for sure; do you believe Poland was fully the aggressor? What part do you believe Germany had in the war?
What's more; what do you think about the German actions up until that point? Did they violate the Treaty of Versailles? Did they initiate a forcefully backed annexation of Austria and swaths of Czechoslovakia?
You seem to (rightfully) dislike the Soviets extensively; what do you think about the modern narrative about the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, or the (at the time, ignored and under-reported) invasion of Poland by the Soviet Union; or the Polish-Soviet war of 1919 and 1920?
You seem to question US involvement in the war against Germany; what is your take on Pearl Harbor? What do you think about the narrative of the German declaration of war against the United States?
To be clear, these questions are not meant to be antagonistic. I just want to know where you stand so I can know what points we agree on and what I can argue based upon; if you are open minded as you claim and proclaim I should be, you should accept my attempts to counter-argue, just as I am willing to take your arguments and evidence and argue based on that. IMO open mindedness doesn't just mean accepting whatever anyone says; it means debate or argument with those you disagree with, and accepting defeat if they can prove you wrong; or coming to a compromise if the truth lies between both positions.
Let's first find common ground; what do you think about David Cole's modern assessments as per an interview with The Guardian: How is this a "modern assessment" if the guy changed his name multiple times because the zionist cadre tried to murder him for exposing their fraud? And it contradicts itself saying "yes genocidal program" to "no, they just needed cheap labor" Is there a video of this which proves it's him? I don't believe he said any of that. Even if he did it doesn't change the fact his video full of hard science completely destroyed the narrative.