On your point on NATO beating Russia it's been the pacman of former satellites. So it won in that regard. But aside from this they did win a previous proxy war against Russia. Finland.

However. Here, Ukraine, it's vastly different. The location, the history, the tactics.

The endgame is what? It cannot win. Not decisively. Nukes. It can fund it. Until more proxy wars erupt, splintering, globally. Funding it, hasn't bought anything except increasing escalation, more funding, a polarised globe, and greater loss of life. How much further does it escalate remains to be seen. Although concurrently and at no foreseeable end will Ukraine cause anything else. If it seeks immediate peace it has been pointless. Ukraine will have lost. As any terms won't seek Ukrainian demands.

Escalation might cause direct NATO involvement. It is currently the only way there is a winner sooner rather than a lengthy war of attrition. Where it will have left the dead for much longer. But risks all out war.

On your point on NATO beating Russia it's been the pacman of former satellites. So it won in that regard. But aside from this they did win a previous proxy war against Russia. Finland.

However. Here, Ukraine, it's vastly different. The location, the history, the tactics.

The endgame is what? It cannot win. Not decisively. Nukes. It can fund it. Until more proxy wars erupt, splintering, globally. Funding it, hasn't bought anything except increasing escalation, more funding, a polarised globe, and greater loss of life. How much further does it escalate remains to be seen. Although concurrently and at no foreseeable end will Ukraine cause anything else. If it seeks immediate peace it has been pointless. Ukraine will have lost. As any terms won't seek Ukrainian demands.

Escalation might cause direct NATO involvement. It is currently the only way there is a winner sooner rather than a lengthy war of attrition. Where it will have left the dead for much longer.

On your point on NATO beating Russia it's been the pacman of former satellites. So it won in that regard. But aside from this they did win a previous proxy war against Russia. Finland.

However. Here, Ukraine, it's vastly different. The location, the history, the tactics.