Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.

Like communists "encourage child sex research and discussion"

Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(

But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?

You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.

you're just pushing your ideas on people that think you're a disgusting weirdo.

I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?

And you're doing it under the guise of "tolerance".

Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.

The whole "I thought this place was for cOnSpIrAcIeS" self victimization I'd inexorably communist.

I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.

In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).

school or and government is the propagandist

This is true, obviously.

so we have to be MORE propagandist than them because they're the REAL propagandists

I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.

We're saving people with our propaganda " is a linchpin of communism.

Vain liars always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.

Objective facts don't mean anything to your "lived experience "

My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).

The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived, through rigorous application of the scientific method).

That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i am not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.

2 + 2 = 5 because black people are victim and you have feelings about it

Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!

you're a communist. Through and through

Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.

Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.

Like communists "encourage child sex research and discussion"

Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(

But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?

You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.

you're just pushing your ideas on people that think you're a disgusting weirdo.

I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?

And you're doing it under the guise of "tolerance".

Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.

The whole "I thought this place was for cOnSpIrAcIeS" self victimization I'd inexorably communist.

I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.

In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).

school or and government is the propagandist

This is true, obviously.

so we have to be MORE propagandist than them because they're the REAL propagandists

I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.

We're saving people with our propaganda " is a linchpin of communism.

Vain liars always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.

Objective facts don't mean anything to your "lived experience "

My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).

The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived, through rigorous application of the scientific method).

That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.

2 + 2 = 5 because black people are victim and you have feelings about it

Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!

you're a communist. Through and through

Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.

Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.

Like communists "encourage child sex research and discussion"

Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(

But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?

You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.

you're just pushing your ideas on people that think you're a disgusting weirdo.

I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?

And you're doing it under the guise of "tolerance".

Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.

The whole "I thought this place was for cOnSpIrAcIeS" self victimization I'd inexorably communist.

I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.

In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).

school or and government is the propagandist

This is true, obviously.

so we have to be MORE propagandist than them because they're the REAL propagandists

I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.

We're saving people with our propaganda " is a linchpin of communism.

Vain lairs always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.

Objective facts don't mean anything to your "lived experience "

My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).

The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived, through rigorous application of the scientific method).

That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.

2 + 2 = 5 because black people are victim and you have feelings about it

Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!

you're a communist. Through and through

Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.

Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.

Like communists "encourage child sex research and discussion"

Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(

But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?

You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.

you're just pushing your ideas on people that think you're a disgusting weirdo.

I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?

And you're doing it under the guise of "tolerance".

Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.

The whole "I thought this place was for cOnSpIrAcIeS" self victimization I'd inexorably communist.

I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.

In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).

school or and government is the propagandist

This is true, obviously.

so we have to be MORE propagandist than them because they're the REAL propagandists

I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.

We're saving people with our propaganda " is a linchpin of communism.

Vain lairs always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.

Objective facts don't mean anything to your "lived experience "

My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).

The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived through rigorous application of the scientific method).

That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.

2 + 2 = 5 because black people are victim and you have feelings about it

Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!

you're a communist. Through and through

Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.