I think if we're gonna have meaningful conversations about this stuff we have to start with some basic stuff:

1. it's not obvious that the earth is flat
2. the globe model is just as intuitive

Calling people "globe believers" is just as dogmatic as those people calling you "flat earthers". It solves nothing and gets us nowhere closer to the truth.

With that said, there are some anomalies that are impossible to simply explain away:

1. there has never been a shadow observed on the underside of a cloud from somebody who was on top of the mountain making this shadow
2. you can take a Nikon P 900 and observe boats that are well beyond the curvature of the earth, and which should be dozens of feet below visibility
3. you can shine a laser across the 20 mile lake and not only see the laser directly impact the camera on the other side of the lake, but even see the reflection of the laser on the lake (you have to fully intuit the math of a circle in order to understand how impossible that would be with even the slightest amount of curvature)

There are many more examples that are not easy to dismiss, or outright impossible to even argue against when you see them. On top of this, there are very clear cases of people trying to debunk flat earth that end up further supporting it by accident. For example, there was some discovery channel show where they had a helicopter Some number of miles away across the lake and they had the helicopter lower down to go behind the curvature and disappear, but upon further inspection it was shown that they used the same footage multiple times (somebody spotted a flock of birds flying through the scene and were able to identify the frames based on this), not to mention the helicopter was turned the opposite direction when they zoomed in on the horizon line cutoff moment.

On top of this, we know for absolute certain that at least some of the footage on the supposed ISS has been faked completely, and why would they need to do that? We know that there is endless deception coming from NASA. Anybody with an IQ over 90 knows that the moon landing was fake. Anyone with an IQ over 95 knows that the Mars rover is actually on Baffin Island in Canada. Why are all these things fake if the science they tell us about outer space is real?

With all that said, I don't "believe" that the earth is flat or that it is a globe. I only know what I know, and I do not know either of these things. It seems intuitive that we are on a globe, because when you look in the sky you can support this by observing other apparent globes that follow the same model. However, it's impossible to rectify this with the "flat earth proofs" that we know to also be true. The only way in my mind to rectify these things without creating a hyper confusing and overly inefficient physical model with a miniature sun and moon floating around above (doesn't make sense to me) is that we are actually inside of a closed system and the sky is a screen. I don't believe this is the case either. I just don't know any of this. But assuming one side or the other is a great way to not ever learn what the real truth is. There's way too much evidence to support some form of the flat earth theories out there to just simply brush it aside, but there's way too much reason to believe we are on a globe circling the sun to just simply brush that aside also. The only way we can know is by knowing, not by arguing from bias.

I think if we're gonna have meaningful conversations about this stuff we have to start with some basic stuff:

1. it's not obvious that the earth is flat
2. it makes just as much intuitive sense that the globe model is correct

Calling people "globe believers" is just as dogmatic as those people calling you "flat earthers". It solves nothing and gets us nowhere closer to the truth.

With that said, there are some anomalies that are impossible to simply explain away:

1. there has never been a shadow observed on the underside of a cloud from somebody who was on top of the mountain making this shadow
2. you can take a Nikon P 900 and observe boats that are well beyond the curvature of the earth, and which should be dozens of feet below visibility
3. you can shine a laser across the 20 mile lake and not only see the laser directly impact the camera on the other side of the lake, but even see the reflection of the laser on the lake (you have to fully intuit the math of a circle in order to understand how impossible that would be with even the slightest amount of curvature)

There are many more examples that are not easy to dismiss, or outright impossible to even argue against when you see them. On top of this, there are very clear cases of people trying to debunk flat earth that end up further supporting it by accident. For example, there was some discovery channel show where they had a helicopter Some number of miles away across the lake and they had the helicopter lower down to go behind the curvature and disappear, but upon further inspection it was shown that they used the same footage multiple times (somebody spotted a flock of birds flying through the scene and were able to identify the frames based on this), not to mention the helicopter was turned the opposite direction when they zoomed in on the horizon line cutoff moment.

On top of this, we know for absolute certain that at least some of the footage on the supposed ISS has been faked completely, and why would they need to do that? We know that there is endless deception coming from NASA. Anybody with an IQ over 90 knows that the moon landing was fake. Anyone with an IQ over 95 knows that the Mars rover is actually on Baffin Island in Canada. Why are all these things fake if the science they tell us about outer space is real?

With all that said, I don't "believe" that the earth is flat or that it is a globe. I only know what I know, and I do not know either of these things. It seems intuitive that we are on a globe, because when you look in the sky you can support this by observing other apparent globes that follow the same model. However, it's impossible to rectify this with the "flat earth proofs" that we know to also be true. The only way in my mind to rectify these things without creating a hyper confusing and overly inefficient physical model with a miniature sun and moon floating around above (doesn't make sense to me) is that we are actually inside of a closed system and the sky is a screen. I don't believe this is the case either. I just don't know any of this. But assuming one side or the other is a great way to not ever learn what the real truth is. There's way too much evidence to support some form of the flat earth theories out there to just simply brush it aside, but there's way too much reason to believe we are on a globe circling the sun to just simply brush that aside also. The only way we can know is by knowing, not by arguing from bias.