And it magically knows which direction is downward and consistently falls int that direction, even though there's nothing "in the media it's displacing" to tell it to move in that direction
That's quite a ridiculous assumption. It falls downward because it was lifted (and with the same energy used to lift it). It falls downward because that is the path of least resistance to return to rest. If falls downward because it has a column of weight above it pushing it down, as well as its own weight. It falls down because the air cannot sustain the weight of the object. It falls down because it weighs more than the media it displaces. There are many reasons it falls down, and none of them involve magic or sentiently "knowing" which way down is.
How about we isolate another variable
We can observe another variable if you wish, but it's only distracting you. We aren't doing any experiments, we aren't validating any hypotheses, and we aren't isolating any variables.
Lemme guess? Fake.... Right? Completely fake,
When you assume... Ask questions in earnest, or not at all.
The footage is likely fake, but that isn't really relevant - it doesn't HAVE to be fake. When inside a container and falling together (the reason things fall is that the weight of the object is greater than the weight of the media it displaces), things fall together (until the object approaches terminal velocity, of course). The "ISS" is the object, and the media it displaces weighs much less than that so it falls. Everything within it falls too, entrained.
just like the moon, or a sunset, or an eclipse....
Who said those things were fake? Who have you been talking to? For the purposes of this conversation, try talking to me instead of listening to them!
The reason things float or skin in water is gravity. The reason a helium balloon rises and an anvil falls is gravity. It's all gravity.
Wrong! It is all weight, as archimedes principle plainly describes and can be experimentally validated! All that is required is weight, and that is all there is or has ever been. Archimedes did not need fictional imaginary fields to "imbue" matter with weight. He didn't need to wait 2 millennia until newtons folly in order to understand and explain falling (gravity), floating (neutrality), and rising (levity).
There is no force pulling the helium balloon up
True! And there is no force pulling it down when it is heavier than the media it displaces. There is only pushing!
gravity is pulling harder on them and thus they end up at the bottom.....
Gravitation. Gravity is just the phenomenon of falling. The law must never be conflated with the theory contrived to explain the law. It's another attack on science to do so.
They rise because the water above them is being pulled down with greater force than the air
You may continue to imagine that if you wish. As long as you are consistent the equations will still work. Much like defining the world as perpetually accelerating upwards. It's ridiculous, and clearly a fantasy violating many natural laws, but as long as you are consistent - the equations will work.
It's all gravity
Gravitation, and no - it can't be gravitation if gravitation is fiction and was from the the very first time newton invoked it (which is historical fact you can read in his own words, if you wish)... In science, something has to exist first, in order to be attributable as a cause of something. We can't just say - "zeus did it".
Without gravity there's no force pulling or pushing on stuff
Again, so you have been conditioned through rote under the guise of education to believe - but in reality there are many forces and one of them is weight, an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter.
Without gravity there is no floating, rising, buoyancy, or weight
gravity weight!
Kudos to you for continuing to discuss this, and attempting to learn about a new perspective. I know how difficult it is.
And it magically knows which direction is downward and consistently falls int that direction, even though there's nothing "in the media it's displacing" to tell it to move in that direction
That's quite a ridiculous assumption. It falls downward because it was lifted (and with the same energy used to lift it). It falls downward because that is the path of least resistance to return to rest. If falls downward because it has a column of weight above it pushing it down, as well as its own weight. It falls down because the air cannot sustain the weight of the object. It falls down because it weighs more than the media it displaces. There are many reasons it falls down, and none of them involve magic or sentiently "knowing" which way down is.
How about we isolate another variable
We can observe another variable if you wish, but it's only distracting you. We aren't doing any experiments, we aren't validating any hypotheses, and we aren't isolating any variables.
Lemme guess? Fake.... Right? Completely fake,
When you assume... Ask questions in earnest, or not at all.
The footage is likely fake, but that isn't really relevant - it doesn't HAVE to be fake. When inside a container and falling together (the reason things fall is that the weight of the object is greater than the weight of the media it displaces), things fall together (until the object approaches terminal velocity, of course). The "ISS" is the object, and the media it displaces weighs much less than that so it falls. Everything within it falls too, entrained.
just like the moon, or a sunset, or an eclipse....
Who said those things were fake? Who have you been talking to? For the purposes of this conversation, try talking to me instead of listening to them!
The reason things float or skin in water is gravity. The reason a helium balloon rises and an anvil falls is gravity. It's all gravity.
Wrong! It is all weight, as archimedes principle plainly describes and can be experimentally validated! All that is required is weight, and that is all there is or has ever been. Archimedes did not need fictional imaginary fields to "imbue" matter with weight. He didn't need to wait 2 millennia until newtons folly in order to understand and explain falling (gravity), floating (neutrality), and rising (levity).
There is no force pulling the helium balloon up
True! And there is no force pulling it down when it is heavier than the media it displaces. There is only pushing!
gravity is pulling harder on them and thus they end up at the bottom.....
Gravitation. Gravity is just the phenomenon of falling. The law must never be conflated with the theory contrived to explain the law. It's another attack on science to do so.
They rise because the water above them is being pulled down with greater force than the air
You may continue to imagine that if you wish. As long as you are consistent the equations will still work. Much like defining the world as perpetually accelerating upwards. It's ridiculous, and clearly a fantasy violating many natural laws, but as long as you are consistent - the equations will work.
It's all gravity
Gravitation, and no - it can't be gravitation if gravitation is fiction and was from the the very first time newton invoked it... In science, something has to exist first, in order to be attributable as a cause of something. We can't just say - "zeus did it".
Without gravity there's no force pulling or pushing on stuff
Again, so you have been conditioned through rote under the guise of education to believe - but in reality there are many forces and one of them is weight, an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter.
Without gravity there is no floating, rising, buoyancy, or weight
gravity weight!
Kudos to you for continuing to discuss this, and attempting to learn about a new perspective. I know how difficult it is.
And it magically knows which direction is downward and consistently falls int that direction, even though there's nothing "in the media it's displacing" to tell it to move in that direction
That's quite a ridiculous assumption. It falls downward because it was lifted (and with the same energy used to lift it). It falls downward because that is the path of least resistance to return to rest. If falls downward because it has a column of weight above it pushing it down, as well as its own weight. It falls down because the air cannot sustain the weight of the object. It falls down because it weighs more than the media it displaces. There are many reasons it falls down, and none of them involve magic or sentiently "knowing" which way down is.
How about we isolate another variable
We can observe another variable if you wish, but it's only distracting you. We aren't doing any experiments, we aren't validating any hypotheses, and we aren't isolating any variables.
Lemme guess? Fake.... Right? Completely fake,
When you assume... Ask questions in earnest, or not at all.
The footage is likely fake, but that isn't really relevant - it doesn't HAVE to be fake. When inside a container and falling together (the reason things fall is that the weight of the object is greater than the weight of the media it displaces), things fall together (until the object approaches terminal velocity, of course). The "ISS" is the object, and the media it displaces weighs much less than that so it falls. Everything within it falls too.
just like the moon, or a sunset, or an eclipse....
Who said those things were fake? Who have you been talking to? For the purposes of this conversation, try talking to me instead of listening to them!
The reason things float or skin in water is gravity. The reason a helium balloon rises and an anvil falls is gravity. It's all gravity.
Wrong! It is all weight, as archimedes principle plainly describes and can be experimentally validated! All that is required is weight, and that is all there is or has ever been. Archimedes did not need fictional imaginary fields to "imbue" matter with weight. He didn't need to wait 2 millennia until newtons folly in order to understand and explain falling (gravity), floating (neutrality), and rising (levity).
There is no force pulling the helium balloon up
True! And there is no force pulling it down when it is heavier than the media it displaces. There is only pushing!
gravity is pulling harder on them and thus they end up at the bottom.....
Gravitation. Gravity is just the phenomenon of falling. The law must never be conflated with the theory contrived to explain the law. It's another attack on science to do so.
They rise because the water above them is being pulled down with greater force than the air
You may continue to imagine that if you wish. As long as you are consistent the equations will still work. Much like defining the world as perpetually accelerating upwards. It's ridiculous, and clearly a fantasy violating many natural laws, but as long as you are consistent - the equations will work.
It's all gravity
Gravitation, and no - it can't be gravitation if gravitation is fiction and was from the the very first time newton invoked it... In science, something has to exist first, in order to be attributable as a cause of something. We can't just say - "zeus did it".
Without gravity there's no force pulling or pushing on stuff
Again, so you have been conditioned through rote under the guise of education to believe - but in reality there are many forces and one of them is weight, an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter.
Without gravity there is no floating, rising, buoyancy, or weight
gravity weight!
Kudos to you for continuing to discuss this, and attempting to learn about a new perspective. I know how difficult it is.