There is a reason most thinkers consider democracy to be the worst form of government. It is mob rule, and without fail leads to totalitarianism every single time. That is why the media and political system have spent 50 years repeating the mantra that we are a democracy, even though we are not intended to be.
In a true democracy, you just need to scare the population and create an enemy and they will predictably vote for totalitarianism. Seriously, this happens every single time. Look at the situation now. A majority would vote for mandatory vaccinations, mandatory masks, full social credit system because they have been scared and given an enemy.
A republic, a constitutional republic, is the only system that gives a decent balance of power and protects against the rash and frenzied behavior of a democracy, protects against tyranny of the majority, etc.
I feel like everyone on a conspiracy forum should already know that. Strange indeed.
Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to a retard. Thinkers being those like Plato (pre-Islam) and many, many others.
Nothing you are saying is even close to cohesive. It's a bunch of words. I don't like to insult retards, I know you were born that way and can't do anything about it, but you waste a lot of people's time and energy being retarded.
In any case, I'll say it again: there is no perfect system, sorry. If you think there is, you should just stop thinking because you are not good at it. Yes, our current system has reached its zenith of corruption and centralization of power and it is time for it to collapse, but that is no excuse for replacing it with something even worse.
The natural thing now is decentralization. What you propose (though I'm not even sure you have any clue what you are proposing other than "ooh, blockchain, I heard it's cool") is hyper-centralization. You are literally proposing the centralization of all of humanity. When power is centralized, humans don't just leave it alone, they fight to acquire all of that power.
I know your intent here is to try to trick people even more retarded than yourself into agreeing to a new global centralization of all of humanity, so I don't expect you to stop and think about what you are proposing.
For others, though, stop and think. Look back through history. When has centralization of power like that ever been left alone? There is a reason for that, it can't be left alone, it is human nature.
And again, if you think mobs make good decisions and really stop to think about what they are doing, look at what is going on now. When has mob behavior ever been the right thing? The blm riots? nope. The covid lockdowns? nope. The vax mandates and vaccine passports? nope. Buying into any of the terrorist fears in our lifetimes? nope.
As individuals, we are intelligent, but as mobs we are fucking retarded and easily manipulable. Smaller, non-centralized, societies are where we shine. Move towards that. Pure democracy actually work well in small groups, but it does not scale past very, very small groups before it gets corrupted.
Stay small or create a republic. Don't give up all of your identity and your individual liberty to a new centralized global system that pretends to be utopia.
Where did Trump and Biden come from? It's all a fucking show, dude, put on by those that actually run the system.
I'll take one more crack at it in case you are real. The problem, though, is you seem to be so invested in this that no matter how much reality I show you it won't make a difference, your brain will twist and contort it to fit your world view (this is what humans do, no way around it).
As to your terrorists comment (BLM and QANON), you are missing reality. Both are movements created by the powers that be. QANON is almost certainly a CIA operation and BLM is a Soros operation. They create narratives and the common folk get pulled into it, by design. This is but one small example of how easy it is to manipulate humans. Look around the internet, the business world, the tech world, etc, BLM is plastered everywhere (I'm not just talking organizations, but for like 6 months half of LinkedIn had BLM banners on their pages because they were manipulated into doing so). Look at how easily QANON is able to capture the other side as controlled opposition.
If you refuse to acknowledge basic human behavior, unchangeable human behavior, then you are exactly the same as those people. Exactly the same. All of those people have been manipulated into following belief systems that "if we just get rid of those people that disagree with us, utopia will commence", and so have you.
There will always be significant numbers of people competing to manipulate the masses, and they will continue to succeed, because it is extremely easy once you have them centralized and have the resources. The trend of human civilization is now, was in the past, and forever will be to centralize and consolidate power. Power centralizes, and eventually there is a collapse (whether collapsing from the weight of the complexity, or from natural disasters, or from revolution). This then decentralizes things and the centralization starts again. It is beyond the scope of this discussion, but there is no way around this cycle.
Look back at any mob behavior you have ever witnessed or been a part of. Has the mob been fair and just and reasonable in the heat of the moment when they've been whipped up into a frenzy? No, of course not. And yet, almost all of those people in those mobs were actually fair and reasonable people just a few hours/days/months before, but they got caught up in mob mentality and made terrible decisions. This is what happens with pure democracy every time.
You don't seem to like Trump, but Trump is exactly the type of result you get with democracy/populism.
Oh no...I just re-read you final sentence. Nice work, troll :) Roped me into one more response lol.
"The majority would vote to save you from yourself...". That's communism/collectivism in a nutshell. And communism or fascism are always where you end up with pure democracy, which is why you want it so bad.
Seriously, you are intellectually lacking. Nothing you say makes is cohesive, you just jump from one random unrelated idea to another and keep intentionally ignoring what I am saying.
There is no doom and gloom. There is ups and downs, ebbs and flows, rises and falls. Cycles are not doom and gloom. It's like saying spring, summer, fall, and winter repeat, or that the earth keeps orbitting the sun and you are not going to stop those things. Is that doom and gloom?
Two-party system is a result of humans being manipulated into believing those are the choices..because like I keep saying, humans are easy to manipulate with fear (i.e. "voting for a third party is just giving [other team] your vote"). We haven't been "losing" pure democracy, we're closer to pure democracy right now than we have ever been and we keep moving further in that direction. That is why the propaganda is so over the top, because they just need to convince a majority to allow tyranny and they will have it, since they have eroded the protections against tyranny that a republic offers.
There is no point in interacting with you. You will not address anything I've said, you just keep coming back with completely unrelated arguments and don't even complete a thought, you just jump all over the place and hand-waving and "technology makes it possible...somehow...I don't know exactly how...it just does".
Answer the actual point I've been making. Humans are easy to manipulate with fear. So in a pure democracy, all they have to do is scare people and create an enemy for them to blame and they will vote for whatever tyrannical system you ask them to vote for and then the democracy is over.
This isn't hypothetical, it happens over and over and over again. It's human nature. It's not doom and gloom, it's natural cycles. Utopia is not possible unless you rid the world of everyone who disagrees with you, which sounds like what you want, but I'll let you in on a secret...once you rid the world of everyone you disagree with, you will find that you start disagreeing with the ones that are left, because that is how reality works.
But also, there is no perfect system, even a constitutional republic. Every system will breed different kinds of corruption. And, more importantly, power will always centralize and consolidate over time.
Every so often there is either a true reset where things decentralize again and the cycle repeats, or there is a change in the power structure where another group is able to take over power.
Either way, utopia does not and cannot exist, and getting fixated on the idea that it can is dangerous. Understand that life is a constant struggle, in varying degrees, and things ebb and flow, but our job is to continually strive to live the life we believe is right, and do what you feel is necessary to make that life possible.
I have no doubts that a real direct democracy could work. But first you have to convince the current unrlected gov to give power and return to democracy.
There is a reason most thinkers consider democracy to be the worst form of government. It is mob rule, and without fail leads to totalitarianism every single time. That is why the media and political system have spent 50 years repeating the mantra that we are a democracy, even though we are not intended to be.
In a true democracy, you just need to scare the population and create an enemy and they will predictably vote for totalitarianism. Seriously, this happens every single time. Look at the situation now. A majority would vote for mandatory vaccinations, mandatory masks, full social credit system because they have been scared and given an enemy.
A republic, a constitutional republic, is the only system that gives a decent balance of power and protects against the rash and frenzied behavior of a democracy, protects against tyranny of the majority, etc.
I feel like everyone on a conspiracy forum should already know that. Strange indeed.
Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to a retard. Thinkers being those like Plato (pre-Islam) and many, many others.
Nothing you are saying is even close to cohesive. It's a bunch of words. I don't like to insult retards, I know you were born that way and can't do anything about it, but you waste a lot of people's time and energy being retarded.
In any case, I'll say it again: there is no perfect system, sorry. If you think there is, you should just stop thinking because you are not good at it. Yes, our current system has reached its zenith of corruption and centralization of power and it is time for it to collapse, but that is no excuse for replacing it with something even worse.
The natural thing now is decentralization. What you propose (though I'm not even sure you have any clue what you are proposing other than "ooh, blockchain, I heard it's cool") is hyper-centralization. You are literally proposing the centralization of all of humanity. When power is centralized, humans don't just leave it alone, they fight to acquire all of that power.
I know your intent here is to try to trick people even more retarded than yourself into agreeing to a new global centralization of all of humanity, so I don't expect you to stop and think about what you are proposing.
For others, though, stop and think. Look back through history. When has centralization of power like that ever been left alone? There is a reason for that, it can't be left alone, it is human nature.
And again, if you think mobs make good decisions and really stop to think about what they are doing, look at what is going on now. When has mob behavior ever been the right thing? The blm riots? nope. The covid lockdowns? nope. The vax mandates and vaccine passports? nope. Buying into any of the terrorist fears in our lifetimes? nope.
As individuals, we are intelligent, but as mobs we are fucking retarded and easily manipulable. Smaller, non-centralized, societies are where we shine. Move towards that. Pure democracy actually work well in small groups, but it does not scale past very, very small groups before it gets corrupted.
Stay small or create a republic. Don't give up all of your identity and your individual liberty to a new centralized global system that pretends to be utopia.
Where did Trump and Biden come from? It's all a fucking show, dude, put on by those that actually run the system.
I'll take one more crack at it in case you are real. The problem, though, is you seem to be so invested in this that no matter how much reality I show you it won't make a difference, your brain will twist and contort it to fit your world view (this is what humans do, no way around it).
As to your terrorists comment (BLM and QANON), you are missing reality. Both are movements created by the powers that be. QANON is almost certainly a CIA operation and BLM is a Soros operation. They create narratives and the common folk get pulled into it, by design. This is but one small example of how easy it is to manipulate humans. Look around the internet, the business world, the tech world, etc, BLM is plastered everywhere (I'm not just talking organizations, but for like 6 months half of LinkedIn had BLM banners on their pages because they were manipulated into doing so). Look at how easily QANON is able to capture the other side as controlled opposition.
If you refuse to acknowledge basic human behavior, unchangeable human behavior, then you are exactly the same as those people. Exactly the same. All of those people have been manipulated into following belief systems that "if we just get rid of those people that disagree with us, utopia will commence", and so have you.
There will always be significant numbers of people competing to manipulate the masses, and they will continue to succeed, because it is extremely easy once you have them centralized and have the resources. The trend of human civilization is now, was in the past, and forever will be to centralize and consolidate power. Power centralizes, and eventually there is a collapse (whether collapsing from the weight of the complexity, or from natural disasters, or from revolution). This then decentralizes things and the centralization starts again. It is beyond the scope of this discussion, but there is no way around this cycle.
Look back at any mob behavior you have ever witnessed or been a part of. Has the mob been fair and just and reasonable in the heat of the moment when they've been whipped up into a frenzy? No, of course not. And yet, almost all of those people in those mobs were actually fair and reasonable people just a few hours/days/months before, but they got caught up in mob mentality and made terrible decisions. This is what happens with pure democracy every time.
You don't seem to like Trump, but Trump is exactly the type of result you get with democracy/populism.
Oh no...I just re-read you final sentence. Nice work, troll :) Roped me into one more response lol.
"The majority would vote to save you from yourself...". That's communism/collectivism in a nutshell. And communism or fascism are always where you end up with pure democracy, which is why you want it so bad.
Seriously, you are intellectually lacking. Nothing you say makes is cohesive, you just jump from one random unrelated idea to another and keep intentionally ignoring what I am saying.
There is no doom and gloom. There is ups and downs, ebbs and flows, rises and falls. Cycles are not doom and gloom. It's like saying spring, summer, fall, and winter repeat, or that the earth keeps orbitting the sun and you are not going to stop those things. Is that doom and gloom?
Two-party system is a result of humans being manipulated into believing those are the choices..because like I keep saying, humans are easy to manipulate with fear (i.e. "voting for a third party is just giving [other team] your vote"). We haven't been "losing" pure democracy, we're closer to pure democracy right now than we have ever been and we keep moving further in that direction. That is why the propaganda is so over the top, because they just need to convince a majority to allow tyranny and they will have it, since they have eroded the protections against tyranny that a republic offers.
There is no point in interacting with you. You will not address anything I've said, you just keep coming back with completely unrelated arguments and don't even complete a thought, you just jump all over the place and hand-waving and "technology makes it possible...somehow...I don't know exactly how...it just does".
Answer the actual point I've been making. Humans are easy to manipulate with fear. So in a pure democracy, all they have to do is scare people and create an enemy for them to blame and they will vote for whatever tyrannical system you ask them to vote for and then the democracy is over.
This isn't hypothetical, it happens over and over and over again. It's human nature. It's not doom and gloom, it's natural cycles. Utopia is not possible unless you rid the world of everyone who disagrees with you, which sounds like what you want, but I'll let you in on a secret...once you rid the world of everyone you disagree with, you will find that you start disagreeing with the ones that are left, because that is how reality works.
But also, there is no perfect system, even a constitutional republic. Every system will breed different kinds of corruption. And, more importantly, power will always centralize and consolidate over time.
Every so often there is either a true reset where things decentralize again and the cycle repeats, or there is a change in the power structure where another group is able to take over power.
Either way, utopia does not and cannot exist, and getting fixated on the idea that it can is dangerous. Understand that life is a constant struggle, in varying degrees, and things ebb and flow, but our job is to continually strive to live the life we believe is right, and do what you feel is necessary to make that life possible.
I get it, dude, you don't like freedom and think anyone that disagrees with you should be murdered or imprisoned.
Good luck with that. The thing to remember is that creating the angry mob is easy, but stopping them when they turn against you will be the hard part.
Voting is not strong enough to transform a trchno-facist gov back into a democracy.
Why would gov willingly give the power to choose back to the people? What are you going to do? Use your fake vote to vote for real secure voting?
I have no doubts that a real direct democracy could work. But first you have to convince the current unrlected gov to give power and return to democracy.