Stop. Water is level. On a lake ona calm mornin, total glass. And you are the one who would have to prove that it's not
Saying something stupid and then trying to flip the burden of proof onto me to disprove it?
Nope.... Not having it...
With this final piece of sophistry your entertainment value is officially gone. Consider yourself blocked.
No, at a distant of 200 miles it would not be visible on a flat plane due to Beers law.
Not going down another ridiculous side-track with you. Every single one you've sent me down so far has been total bullshit. This one would be no different.
You're just trying to change the subject because I just proved you can't hold the laser level at a distance of 2 miles.
Tell me how you managed to determine that eyeballing the laser next to a lake is more accurate than a construction level... which would still leave you off by 64 inches at 2 miles.
You had an idea for an experiment and I don't understand it because you kind rambled through it and didn't explain it well.
It's literally the exact same as your experiment except it's far enough away that you don't have to care or measure the exact angle of the laser, only whether or not it's visible.
You make the target a camera lens instead of piece of cardboard.
No ultra accurate leveling device is needed... Just repeated moving flashes in a general direction that can be done by hand. And you either see the flashes from across the lake, or you don't.
At a distance of 200 miles on a curved earth the light would not be visible... But on a flat earth you should still be able to see the flashes even if only briefly...
Record even one flash from that distance and you win...
Find any open body of water, so you can use it for level.
Water is not a level.... Much less an open body of water with wind and waves.
Give me fucking break. That's even more retarded than thinking the earth is flat.
What you will observe is that the laser is at about the same height, the tiny variation is within the tolerance of an imperfect setup and it's well within margin of error to conclude that the earth doesn't curve.
No, it's not within the margin of error at all.
Let's do the math...
Angle A = 90 degrees (the target standing vertically)
Side B = 2 inches (a desirable margin of error)
Side C = 126720 inches (2 mile distance)
Result: Angle B = 0.00090429. (the angle of the laser on the 1st bank)
That means for roughly every 1/1,000th of a degree that laser is off, the dot on the other end will be 2 inches higher or 2 inches lower.
That's a range of 4 inches. That's an acceptable tolerance.
But the most accurate construction levels I could find boast an accuracy of 0.029 degrees. https://vinatools.de/70-nivo-spirit-levels/
So assume you use that tool and it tells you that the laser is level...
But really it's 0.029 degrees off from true level....
Now lets plug that info into the triangle calculator, and see what our margin of error becomes at a distance of 2 miles.
Angle A = 90 degrees (target standing vertically)
Side C = 126720 inches (2 miles)
Angle B = 0.029 (the margin for error when using a construction level)
Result: Side B = 64.13876 inches (the margin of error you will get)
That means if the laser is off by just 0.029 degrees it will be 64 inches higher or 64 inches lower than your desired target.
That is a range of 128 inches that you can expect to be off in either direction when using a construction grade leveler.
And while you are at it... Go ahead and tell me why my long distance version of the exact same experiment DOESN'T work.
Even though you don't need to hold the laser perfectly level in my version and just need to verify the light is visible at any point.
That ought to be entertaining.
Youre seriously asking about the 1/1000 thing after I explained why it would not matter.
You most certainly did not explain it...
And it most certainly does matter... If you can't guarantee the levelness of the laser any measurements you take on the other side are invalid.
And I swear to god... if you respond with "nuhh, uhh I did explain it" and you don't link to your previous comment, you're getting blocked, cause your entertainment value is out the door when the annoyance factor reaches a certain level.
What is the point?
My point is were onto like the 3rd or 4th proof that the earth is a sphere.
If you get that laser perfectly level, I will accept your experiment and it will prove me right.
there are many people who have done laser tests
Show me what instrument they used to gauge the levelness of the line then.
The only thing that's been proven here is that you don't know how to make a point.
How does that make me a bot? lol.
Now you're the one changing the subject from the paysuer family...
"How does that help me?! Herpa durr!"
I get it, you're just againt everything...
*Against
And check my thumbnail... Should give you a pretty clear indication of what's going on.
The post wants to expose the Paysuer family.
Then make the title about that family so I wont come in here and explain to you how reddit works
How are you helping?
It's not my job to help you make points. But I'm being kind by helping anyways, and letting you know that your post title is about the wrong subject.
Was that because you never provide a valid argument?
Tell me why it's invalid... Tell me why reddit would leave up that thread if the family Paysuer wasn't named.
Was that because you divert the topic from the original one?
Read the title of the post we are commenting on... Is it about reddit nuking stuff or is about a family named Paysuer running the world?
I shared evidence of this corrupt family. You only make everyone doubt it.
Again, I'm not even debating about the family... Don't you get that?
I'm just telling you the simple fact that reddit is not gonna let you name and shame real people as being part of a vast evil conspiracy, true or not.
pictures are so hard for you to handle?
Pictures of text? Yes... Because you can't highlight and the words don't wrap to your screen or zoom level... Makes it a total chore and frankly I'm not into doing chores for other people's memes.
All you do is divert the topic.
It's not a diversion... The title is about reddit nuking the thread...
There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why they would do that.
You are the one changing the subject by trying to bring up the some family named Paysuer even though reddit would nuke the thread regardless of the names being said.... and so brining up that reddit nuked the thread doesn't prove anything.
You are definately the one spitting bullshit...
"Empty space is a shape"...
"The earth is flat but has no edge"
"Gravity doesn't exist"...
Give me a break. Definitely you... And I'll tell you one thing... The only reason I'm here responding is for entertainment.
As soon as you get boring I'm done and i'll stop responding to you, because I'm not putting in real work to refute bullshit.
So can I ask you just straight up... Do you have a way to measure the levelness of a laser beam to an accuracy greater than 1/1,000th of a degree?
Cause I'll accept your experiment as valid if you can, but then you must also accept it as valid when it measures a drop.
No, I'm not watching your video on anything unless you watch an equally long video from me.
And fine... I'll give you that the drop would be noticeable at 1 mile... I made an assumption without looking it up. You got me there.
But that is not the only problem with your experiment. How many degrees off from true level can your laser be before your experiment is fucked? I looked it up, and it's not much...
Less than 1/1,000th of a degree and that laser is at a completely incorrect height on the other side... Can you build a rig to hold a laser pointer perfectly level to that degree of accuracy?
I looked up the accuracy of the most accurate leveling tool I can find... and it's accurate to 1/30th of a degree.
So you're going to have a really big challenge even proving the laser is actually parallel to the waterline your way.
Talk about overcomplicated...
My way you don't have to keep the laser perfectly parallel. You don't have to measure the height on either side. You just have to establish the light can be seen, even in a quick flash.
Why can't you just prove the laser is visible from a long distance?
According to your position it's still a straight line at 2 miles, 2,000 miles, or 10,000 miles....
It's all a straight line according to you... So the distance shouldn't matter. In your model you should be able to see a laser across oceans.
WoW is still beyond it's reach haha
So yeah dodge another argument and keep lying.
Except that's the most ridiculous strawman because nobody ever claimed you would be able to go to chat gpt and say "give me all the code and files to recreate world of warcraft in it's entirety" and have it spit out a working game.
You sound like an idiot from the 1900s who says cars will never replace horses, because you can't drive a car up a rocky mountain...
Yet here we are.... And cars still don't drive up rocky mountains.
I promise you... Idiots like you doing odd jobs in php are not the driving force of technological development in society.
All of that money that's going to be saved in dealing with idiots like you is going to be redirected to so many other things that will make the world better, cheaper, and more efficient.
And the elite tier of programmers will be just fine...They are gonna be even more highly in demand when AI advances to high-level coding because they will be necessary to guide and babysit it's outputs...
Suddenly there will be 10x as many companies trying to use AI to write high level code and still the same number of human programmers to check it and fix it's mistakes. They're gonna be kings...
Not you though... Like I said, you're not in their class. You're in the class that gets put out of a job when GPT5 hits next year.
Indian programmers on fiverr already got put out of a job this year. So you're up next. lol.
LOL.... You don't even get the analogy?! Hahah... Of course not... Okay bud, I'll break it down for you.
The reason you don't measure your driveway with your odometer is because your driveway is very small, and your odometer measures a VERY large distance in comparison..... Got it?
The reason you don't measure the earth's curve at a distance of 2 miles using a 12 inch ruler is exactly the same... The curve at that distance is very small and your 12 inch ruler measures a VERY large distance in comparison..... Got it?
It's your own experiment. Shine a laser across a lake... You shouldn't complain about it being too far away.... Being far away is the whole point as that's how you prove there's no curve!
If it's a straight line with no objects in the way asking a laser to shine 200 miles is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.... Totally within the capabilities of any decent laser...
Go do it at lake victoria..
You don't even have to make sure it's level with the ground....You don't even have to measure the height of the beam on either side.
The one and only thing you need to prove is that the laser is visible on the other side... That's it...
If you can see the laser from ANYWHERE on the other side, even a brief flash for just a millisecond, you've just disproved the curve....
Who found "bush did 9/11" but is still searching for a hidden N-word?
Why not measure the length of your driveaway with your car's odometer?
I am saying that LLMs cannot write anything complex without first having a complex body of examples
You mean like github?
You cannot ask it no matter how many times you try to have it generate World of warcraft in pure PHP
LOL.... But yet I can ask it to do a simple task and save me having to pay a skilled professional $50..... Or an unskilled professional masquerading as one, Like you.
Do you get it now?
That's worth billions of dollars a year to business owners.
No, the laser test you designed is overly complex. Just shine a laser over a large lake. The laser is 12 inches over the water., and the other side is a laser dot, 12 inches above water. That is what a proof is.
Do it at Lake Victoria.... Which is 200 miles wide...
You won't see the laser....
You're not saying that an LLM can't write PHP... Because it can... I've done it.
So what is your point?
Dude, the idea of a flat planet in space is fucking retarded.
Keep going.... you've almost got it...
Now, Is the idea of a flat planet that extends infinitely in all directions with no edge smart.... or is it retarded?
And just for bonus points I will tell you how to use lasers to prove the earth's curve..
a lasers light travels in a straight line and does not bend. So all you gotta do is start at the worlds tallest skyscraper... Travel 200 miles due east. Then go up about a thousand feet in the air and shine your laser due west.
In fact you wouldn't even need to shine your laser due west... You could do a left-to right sweeping motion in that general direction and still expect your laser to briefly hit the exact angle necessary to shine on the tower.
When the laser light isn't detected from the skyscraper even in a brief flash, it's because the ground curved the tower out of the laser's line of sight.
This shit is way deep and you won't even let yourself answer any of my questions about the missing curve
The above statement is the 3rd method for observing the earth's curve that I told you about...
So, I would have to show you an edge on earth
Yes... Any flat shape must have an edge.
If the earth is flat you could easily prove it by photographing the edge and, this debate would be over in 30 seconds with you declared the winner.
Just show me the fucking edge.
before you would address why lasers can't measure curve? Still afraid to address it?
It's a gishgallop to change the topic.
You define the shape of the earth and tell me where the edge is... Then we will move on to lasers when it's time for a new topic.
And just lying now. It's discusting. I define shape when you asked, fucking liar.
You said empty space was a shape... And then later gave a definition that EXCLUDES empty space, without ever acknowledging you were wrong to call space a shape.
if all shapes have an edge, where is the edge of space? what "shape"is space? (1)
A shape is the perimeter of a thing.
WHAT IS THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH?!
"FALT" is not a shape you fucking idiot.
Tell me the shape. Define it's fucking perimeter.
And one more thing before you're blocked for good...
Here's a list of all the things you've been totally wrong about that I can remember.
1.) You said the horizon doesn't curve... It in fact does because it travels in a big circle and ends where it started. That's a curve.
2.) You said you can't observe the curvature of the earth... You can by verifying that the distance of the horizon gets farther away when you go higher up.... That is observing the curvature along one axis. Then you can observe it along another axis by verifying that no matter what height you go to the horizon will always be the exact same distance away in all directions.
3.) You denied the geometric tautology that every shape has an edge, and tried to define empty space as a shape.
4.) You told me an experiment for proving the earth is flat. And yet, you quickly back-tracked and attacked YOUR OWN experiment as invalid because you didn't like the lake I picked.
5.) You claimed that you can eyeball a laser pointer level to an of accuracy of 1/1,000th of a degree, and then put the burden of proof onto me to disprove it.
Just to put the stupidity of that into perspective, that is more than 5x as precise as the base of the great pyramid of Giza, which is renowned for being one of the most precise buildings ever constructed in human history.