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I already told you what jesus taught. If you look at the context that you copied that quote of me from your see I stated he did not teach about dualistic concepts of doing good for goodness sake or any morality.

He taught that what you see you shall also reap, and to do into others as you would have them do to you .

Jesus never said he is God, let alone "literally".

I will ask you to provide the verse where Jesus called him self God. He never said "I am God",.

He definitely spoke as if he were not, and a separate entity than God:

Luke 23: 44 “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

Mathew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Luke 23:34 . “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

And this verse is full of things that exposed fault in what you are saying:

Luke 22:41 "41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[c]"

He has a separate will from God, he ask why God has forgotten him, he ask God to take his spirit and an angel strengthens him. How does an angel strengthens God, and how do any of these direct statements from Jesus imply that he claimed to be God?

He never claimed to be God once. He never said "I am God" but he did make statements that directly imply that he was separate entity, he even says that he sits beside his father in heaven.

As far as the concept of good, The only thing Jesus ever says on the topic of being good is

Mark 10:17 "17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"

So as I said Jesus actually rejected being called good and said that no one is good and no one can be good.

God alone. Not a separate will of God that sits next to him, but God alone.

What Jesus did say Mathew 11:27 "27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

Again speaking of himself as separate, and yet again in

John 14: " 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

He does not say he is the father, he says the father is in him, and he is in the father, never once claiming to "literally" be God as you put it. He even uses an analogy that definitely divides them, father and son.

Are you a father or son. I am both and know that although my son and I are greatly intertwined and close he is not me and I am it him, but I know that when he goes out he represents me to some degree, and people know me through him. I home school him so he does not go to school and is this less aif a product of the world and more of a product of me so he represents my gathering when he goes out, but like Jesus said of himself and his father, he has a separate will and is this a separate entity.

And the last thing he said in the Bible in Revelation 22 "16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”"

He claims that he is the offspring of David just as the old testament (Isaiah) prophecized that the messenger of God would be. The prophecy never claimed God would come, but claimed he would send his messenger who would be of the linkage of David.

You are clearly not super familiar with the scriptures. You've probably looked at the Bible but never read it.

You are arguing a belief of a religions that you were taught to believe, but you won't find scripture to back it up.

You will not find Jesus saying these things. At best you will find Paul saying the things that your religious beliefs are based on, but Paul is not Christ and was not sent as God's messenger. He was a self appointed apostle who contradicts Christ over and over.

What did Christ teach? To love your enemy, that what you see you WILL reap. He said to give away All of your belongings or you can not call yourself a christian. The bulk of his teaching was to get rid of all you owned and to stop working for the system.

The early christians did do this, but christianity was bastardized and the version of christianity going around is an image based off of the catholic belief system that is nothing like what Christ taught or what the early christians believed.

When you understand this the verses that describe only 144,000 people being saved and that many are called but few are chosen.

These are also statements of Christ that the religious beliefs deny and say are untrue.

Most of what Jesus actually said is denied and brushed aside, but Paul's teaching was embraced. Jesus is described away by Paul's teaching, but I do not believe Paul's teaching over rides christ.

The church has clung to the forbidden fruit and still eats off of the tree of knowledge and does not see the tree of life.

2 years ago
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I already told you what jesus taught. If you look at the context that you copied that quote of me from your see I stated he did not teach about dualistic concepts of doing good for goodness sake or any morality.

He taught that what you see you shall also reap, and to do into others as you would have them do to you .

Jesus never said he is God, let alone "literally".

I will ask you to provide the verse where Jesus called him self God. He never said "I am God",.

He definitely spoke as if he were not, and a separate entity than God:

Luke 23: 44 “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

Mathew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Luke 23:34 . “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

And this verse is full of things that exposed fault in what you are saying:

Luke 22:41 "41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[c]"

He has a separate will from God, he ask why God has forgotten him, he ask God to take his spirit and an angel strengthens him. How does an angel strengthens God, and how do any of these direct statements from Jesus imply that he claimed to be God?

He never claimed to be God once. He never said "I am God" but he did make statements that directly imply that he was separate entity, he even says that he sits beside his father in heaven.

As far as the concept of good, The only thing Jesus ever says on the topic of being good is

Mark 10:17 "17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"

So as I said Jesus actually rejected being called good and said that no one is good and no one can be good.

God alone. Not a separate will of God that sits next to him, but God alone.

What Jesus did say Mathew 11:27 "27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

Again speaking of himself as separate, and yet again in

John 14: " 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

He does not say he is the father, he says the father is in him, and he is in the father, never once claiming to "literally" be God as you put it. He even uses an analogy that definitely divides them, father and son.

Are you a father or son. I am both and know that although my son and I are greatly intertwined and close he is not me and I am it him, but I know that when he goes out he represents me to some degree, and people know me through him. I home school him so he does not go to school and is this less aif a product of the world and more of a product of me so he represents my gathering when he goes out, but like Jesus said of himself and his father, he has a separate will and is this a separate entity.

And the last thing he said in the Bible in Revelation 22 "16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”"

He claims that he is the offspring of David just as the old testament (Isaiah) prophecized that the messenger of God would be. The prophecy never claimed God would come, but claimed he would send his messenger who would be of the linkage of David.

2 years ago
1 score