Mmmh, ok, i understand now, so you took the 'son of the morning' as genealogical. Not unprobable at all.
But in this case, who was yahweh? and who the snake in garden if not enki?
My understanding is that the genesis is much prior to rest of the jewish chronicles and yahweh is a small regional lietunant. But id be curious if you differ there.
On the enki thing i always assumed the bible was written from the point of the elohim leaders or their followers, therefore enlil PoV or sort of. So would make sense Enki's attempt to educate mankind would be unwelcome in the text.
Lastly, if you can muster it, i'd be curious about that enki/marduk antagonism you see.
Do you mean it as the actual beings still being around or factions having sprouted through the conflict?
Was it about Enki still in the end being a elohim leader who wanted to retain control for his own and marduk falling out of touch with the leadership? What was the point of the rebellion? And by chance, do you have any lead about Tiamat?
It's the first time that i hear your version and it's quite different in some points from what i'm used to so forgive if i'm that curious :D Ofcourse i understand it to be all speculation, it's just a super interesting topic to do so about.
Perhaps I'll just attempt to clarify a few points.
A fundamental point is to start with the concreteness of the situation. That is, the Anunnaki were flesh and blood beings. Well, we're flesh and blood beings also. There is nothing strange or unusual about that. We live on one planet and they live on another.
About 420,000 years ago, they traveled from their planet to ours. We--at least our machines--travel from our planet to other, and we will surely do so personally in a few decades or centuries. Again, nothing unusual.
The Anunnaki genetically-engineered us humans from their own genomes and those of a primate. We do so now, including the prospect (or reality) of alterations to our own genome. So once again, nothing extraordinary.
They are part of each of us and we lived alongside them for a very long time. The point here is that there is nothing unusual about seeing human-like in behavior and motivations in them. In fact, that is the opposite way to describe the case. We learned our behavior from them.
So of our analysis or interpretations need not and should not yield anything different in nature from the mundane world we see around us every day. Keep in mind there is nothing supernatural or metaphorical or transdimensional about any of it. That path yields only confusion and fanaticism and a kind of madness, and that has been the universal path historically.
Then you have to keep in mind that the humans who lived through those times, from the Sumerians to the Hebrews, obviously thought the interactions to be vitally important and sought to record them.
The problem was that they were incredibly primitive by our standards. In societies where light came from fires and only birds flew through the air, they could only dimly and imperfectly understand what they saw and heard. They could only do their best at recording their experiences.
Enlil, as he was known to the Sumerians, was the leader of the expedition to the inner Solar System. Enki was something akin to the chief of Earth operations. The expedition comprised something like 600 individuals in total.
Marduk was something like a general, and we find in the Bible that Michael and Gabriel were also generals, each commanding 200 Anunnaki. Marduk was distinguished in that he was of royal blood, so to speak. According to the Sumerians, only 12 individuals in the expedition held a "numerical rank" reflecting this.
Enlil told Moses to call him Yahweh, but a close study of the Hebrew text shows that's not a name at all but something like, "I am who I am". The important part of that is only that we're dealing with the same being who went by a number of names. Again, the Ugaritic people knew him as Shalim.
The fundamental conflict arose between Enlil and Marduk over how to regard us, this slave species they had created. Enlil, which to say Yahweh, undergoes a profound change of view in the Old Testament itself. Oddly, no "authorities" ever seem to notice this.
Enlil starts out seeing us as mere beasts of burden. He even orders Abraham to kill his own son. However, Enlil evolves just as we humans (hopefully) evolve our views. He comes to see that we are not only equal to the Anunnaki in innate value, but that we have the possibility to exceed them in worth.
Marduk does not evolve, and to him we are mere cattle with which the Anunnaki may do as they please. Well, one can see there is no compromise between the two positions.
It appears they arrived at the possibility of reaching a settlement, with which both could prove their point: If, after some test period, humanity could free itself from the domination of Marduk, then we would have proven our worth and would remain free. If, however, humanity was seduced and deceived by Marduk and he came to dominate us, then he would have been proven correct and would continue to dominate as he saw fit.
Also, Marduk is not allowed to use any advanced technology since that would settle nothing. You can't demonstrate your superior strength or inner worth by shooting someone, right?
Anyway, we're in that testing period right now.
PS: The Garden of Eden Incident concerns the true nature of human consciousness. That is also wrapped up in this test but is a longer story.
Mmmh, ok, i understand now, so you took the 'son of the morning' as genealogical. Not unprobable at all.
But in this case, who was yahweh? and who the snake in garden if not enki?
My understanding is that the genesis is much prior to rest of the jewish chronicles and yahweh is a small regional lietunant. But id be curious if you differ there.
On the enki thing i always assumed the bible was written from the point of the elohim leaders or their followers, therefore enlil PoV or sort of. So would make sense Enki's attempt to educate mankind would be unwelcome in the text.
Lastly, if you can muster it, i'd be curious about that enki/marduk antagonism you see.
Do you mean it as the actual beings still being around or factions having sprouted through the conflict?
Was it about Enki still in the end being a elohim leader who wanted to retain control for his own and marduk falling out of touch with the leadership? What was the point of the rebellion? And by chance, do you have any lead about Tiamat?
It's the first time that i hear your version and it's quite different in some points from what i'm used to so forgive if i'm that curious :D Ofcourse i understand it to be all speculation, it's just a super interesting topic to do so about.
Perhaps I'll just attempt to clarify a few points.
A fundamental point is to start with the concreteness of the situation. That is, the Anunnaki were flesh and blood beings. Well, we're flesh and blood beings also. There is nothing strange or unusual about that. We live on one planet and they live on another.
About 420,000 years ago, they traveled from their planet to ours. We--at least our machines--travel from our planet to other, and we will surely do so personally in a few decades or centuries. Again, nothing unusual.
The Anunnaki genetically-engineered us humans from their own genomes and those of a primate. We do so now, including the prospect (or reality) of alterations to our own genome. So once again, nothing extraordinary.
They are part of each of us and we lived alongside them for a very long time. The point here is that there is nothing unusual about seeing human-like in behavior and motivations in them. In fact, that is the opposite way to describe the case. We learned our behavior from them.
So of our analysis or interpretations need not and should not yield anything different in nature from the mundane world we see around us every day. Keep in mind there is nothing supernatural or metaphorical or transdimensional about any of it. That path yields only confusion and fanaticism and a kind of madness, and that has been the universal path historically.
Then you have to keep in mind that the humans who lived through those times, from the Sumerians to the Hebrews, obviously thought the interactions to be vitally important and sought to record them.
The problem was that they were incredibly primitive by our standards. In societies where light came from fires and only birds flew through the air, they could only dimly and imperfectly understand what they saw and heard. They could only do their best at recording their experiences.
Enlil, as he was known to the Sumerians, was the leader of the expedition to the inner Solar System. Enki was something akin to the chief of Earth operations. The expedition comprised something like 600 individuals in total.
Marduk was something like a general, and we find in the Bible that Michael and Gabriel were also generals, each commanding 200 Anunnaki. Marduk was distinguished in that he was of royal blood, so to speak. According to the Sumerians, only 12 individuals in the expedition held a "numerical rank" reflecting this.
Enlil told Moses to call him Yahweh, but a close study of the Hebrew text shows that's not a name at all but something like, "I am who I am". The important part of that is only that we're dealing with the same being who went by a number of names. Again, the Ugaritic people knew him as Shalim.
The fundamental conflict arose between Enlil and Marduk over how to regard us, this slave species they had created. Enlil, which to say Yahweh, undergoes a profound change of view in the Old Testament itself. Oddly, no "authorities" ever seem to notice this.
Enlil starts out seeing us as mere beasts of burden. He even orders Abraham to kill his own son. However, Enlil evolves just as we humans (hopefully) evolve our views. He comes to see that we are not only equal to the Anunnaki in innate value, but that we have the possibility to exceed them in worth.
Marduk does not evolve, and to him we are mere cattle with which the Anunnaki may do as they please. Well, one can see there is no compromise between the two positions.
It appears they arrived at the possibility of reaching a settlement, with which both could prove their point: If, after some test period, humanity could free itself from the domination of Marduk, then we would have proven our worth and would remain free. If, however, humanity was seduced and deceived by Marduk and he came to dominate us, then he would have been proven correct and would continue to dominate as he saw fit.
Also, Marduk is not allowed to use any advanced technology since that would settle nothing. You can't demonstrate your superior strength or inner worth by shooting someone, right?
Anyway, we're in that testing period right now.
PS: The Garden of Eden Incident concerns the true nature of human consciousness. That is also wrapped up in this test but is a longer story.