hello frenz, i have not posted to this board in a while. Beunos Aires has kept me busy. I have posted to this board under various usernames over the years.
I write this post today as a discussion regarding the insurgency of muslims into the west. I apologize i might not be able to respond for a few months as the internet is a privilege where I'm at.
This the end game of freemasonry. Think about it. High level masons choose to become a Shriner. Shriners wear a fez with a star and crescent. Many high level masons turn to Islam.
This islamic takeover is to subdue Christianity, all guided by Freemasons. Freemasons worship Satan. Freemasons fear Christians.
You’re stuck in the matrix man, sorry to tell you. You have no understanding of why Jews would be interested in writing a fake super hero for you. Like they’re basically doing psychological jiu-jitsu on you and you aren’t aware of even the game they’re playing to make retorts like this.
Like if you don’t understand the context of early Judaism, and you don’t understand Judaism itself and why it may benefit them to make up a hero for the gentiles, then you will be stuck responding with Bible verses in a discussion on Jesus’s historicity.
Another succinct summary of my position: Jews have a scapegoat ritual, where they put their sins on a separate being and send it off into the wilderness, as a way of cleansing their own sins. The kapparot ritual where they swing a chicken over their heads is the same ritual. Guess what else is the same ritual? Jesus. The Jews put all their sins on Jesus and send him off into the wilderness (Edom/Rome/Goyim nations). If you don’t understand their religion then you won’t understand the one they created for you.
I understand a lot more than you think.
Jews believe in Tikkun Olam (rectify the world). That's where the celebration/event of Yom Kippur, the "scapegoat ritual" you are referring to, which is also known as the Day of Atonement, and is the holiest day of the year in Judaism, comes from.
Correct. The two goats represent the two Moshiach (jewish messiah) personas. The first goat represented by Moshiach ben Joseph, this is Jesus Christ who had to suffer, take all the sins of Israel upon himself then die. Just like the first goat of Yom Kippur. And the second, Moshiach ben David, which is the Anti-Christ for Christians, or the Beast of Revelation.
Okay cool, so how can you possibly not see that Jesus is a Jewish invention? Like, how can you take all this bullshit Jewish nonsense seriously, like why give credence to Moshiach Ben Joseph or Moshiach Ben David, who gives a fuck about Jewish fairy tales? Why not invest the same amount of energy into learning about your own ancestors mythologies?
That’s what’s crazy to me, like the only reason someone would spend so much time learning about this nonsense is because they truly believe there was a guy who fulfilled some dumb desert people’s bullshit prophecies. And yet…not that interested in learning about the historicity of Jesus? Like, read Richard Carrier’s On The Historicity Of Jesus if you care about critiques rather than gassing yourself up on Christians telling you “this stuff is totally true and real, see this Christian from another era who did bullshit research says so”.
Within your reading, the counter argument is Jesus is the kelipot, he is the husk that gets burned by the gentiles to cleanse us of our pagan evil, and return our stolen shards of light to the “chosen” the true owners of the light. So it’s all about destroying edom to get back the stolen shards of light for Yahweh, and they use Jesus as the sacrifice (Ben Joseph) to serve the greater purpose of destroying anyone who doesn’t worship Yahweh - it’s also why they don’t want you to become Jewish, because it’s about genetics. They want you to remain a filthy goy who is just a shabbo’s goy, basically a gentile slave to Jews. And to accomplish that, they had to destroy paganism which had been fucking them up. So to destroy paganism, you convince filthy goys to worship Yahweh while also keeping them out of Judaism, which Christianity and Islam accomplish. It’s gentile fodder to subvert you.
That is the Jesus being sold to you and me today... that's an invention. And not just this Jesus, but all the other main characters in the OT. There is no historical Abraham, Moses, or Joshua. Many scholars agree on that. Historically the 12 Tribes of Israel are closer to the 12 Tribes of Yemen. Stories from all over were put together in what we now call the OT.
On the contrary the historical existence of Jesus as a person (historical Jesus) is important to me. Not just Richard Carrier but many others like Bart Ehrman have talked at length about the "historical Jesus". Today Bart Ehrman calls himself a historian of early Christianity. Have you looked into Ehrman's "The Historical Jesus"? it consists of a series of 24 lectures delivered "from a purely historical perspective, with no intention of affirming or denying any particular theological beliefs".
There is independent historical record about Jesus. Most likely there was a person named Jesus, or Yeshua/Iesous, of Nazareth. Jesus was probably born in Nazareth. And “Yeshua” was among the most popular male names in the 1st-century Palestine. Jesus didn't have a last name and people used "Jesus(Yeshua) of Nazareth" or "Jesus(Yeshua) the Nazarene" the common way to differentiate him. This referred to his place of origin, Nazareth, a small town in the region of Galilee.
Jesus never prayed to, or worshipped, Yahweh. Take a look at original Greek texts, not the translations (or I should say mistranslations). In the passages where Jesus withdraws to pray, whether on the mountain, during the 40 days in the desert, or in the garden of Gethsemane, the manuscripts do not say that he prayed to God. They specifically mention that he prayed to the Father. Even in Luke 11:2, KJV he teaches to pray to the Father "And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.".
That's what I said in my previous message, Gen 3:15. Jews represent the seed of the serpent. You may call them Edomites and Canaanites, but not Israelites. "I'll place hostility between you and the woman, between your offspring and her offspring. He'll strike you on the head, and you'll strike him on the heel." - Genesis 3:15
Are you familiar with Genesis 6:1–4? how about books that have been removed from the Bible, I'm referring here to The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch)? Book of Enoch used to be part of the Bible, the Vatican removed it in 1684. But not from the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.
Well at least you’re more interested in the fact finding than most Christians. You should read Carrier’s book, he basically took on the project of “if we held Bible history to the same standard as every other element of history we evaluate” and he goes through every single piece of firsthand evidence we have going out to 130AD, because he gives 100 years after Jesus’s supposed death in case a kid met Jesus and then lived to be over 100, and he basically outlines that there are like 13 supposed firsthand sources, they basically all have issues, he goes through each Gospel and Paul’s letters, shows how many issues there are with those. He shows how Jews already had an industry for creating stories based on the Torah (this also explains things like the Book of Enoch, it was just Jews writing biblical fan fiction, that’s also why there are so many apocryphal texts, it was basically all just Bible fan fiction). The Jesus story is the same thing - they had already mapped out all the lines in the Old Testament that could be taken as prophetic, and then they just made up a character that fulfilled all the prophecies they already mapped out.
Lastly, Bart Ehrman, eh, there’s a reason he won’t debate Carrier.
Because they do.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War