[Talmud] permits the slaughter of innocent women and children through dehumanization
No, I looked for it and it goes no further than Biblical passages that Christians accept, where slaughter of innocent women and children is either (1) unintended collateral damage during war, or (2) in one or two cases intended because of evidence of idolatrous collusion by the women and/or minors involved. If morality did not permit collateral damage, anyone could sin with impunity and surround himself with human shields and never be targetable. If morality did not permit trying minors as adults, anyone could direct minors to carry out their crimes and have no penalty. Yes, there's a lot of dehumanization going on in war today, but that's not from established morality.
you can find the noahide laws only in the Babylonian Talmud
No, a version of the Noahite laws was promulgated by the first pope, Peter, at the Jerusalem Council described in Acts 15:20, 29. It too prohibited idolatry but Peter, James, and Paul obviously didn't count themselves idolators!
the Noahide Laws began when President Jimmy Carter signed Education Day USA into Law in 1978
No, that's just the first US proclamation acknowledging they exist, but all Christians accept the Jerusalem Council as binding.
What's the punishment if a Gentile transgresses the Noahide Laws? DEATH!!!
Correct, and according to the Noahide laws that can only be tried by a court of justice established by Noahides i.e. people of all nations together. So no Jew can cause their definition of idolatry to prevail without agreement by the court of all nations.
The nascent Sanhedrin, a modern attempt to revive the ancient Jewish court, views Jesus Christ as a FALSE PROPHET
I've looked closely into this Sanhedrin and found no such ruling.
This is primarily based on the traditional Jewish understanding of Jesus as someone who did not fulfill the criteria
YET.
Ancient Israelites = /= modern day "jews"
Yes, modern Jews are a subset descended continuously from Yehudah. (English Jew, from French Ju, from Latin Judaeus, from Hebrew Yehudah.)
the Bible doesn't explicitly state that you will have 2800 "subhuman" slaves when your nachash moshiach (antichrist) comes
No, that's an interpretation. It says in Zech. 8:23 that "ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of [me] that is a [spiritual] Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you." Christians are "spiritual Jews". Nachash isn't related at all to moshiach.
Please show me where i misqouted
Gladly. Most obviously, you wrote above, "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being immersed in boiling semen", when semen is not in the quote you cited (semen is referred to Balaam instead, who is different from the Yeshu mentioned). Further, the "Yeshu" is generic and conflates three or more people named "Yeshu" in the Talmud; it's not about fiery "hell" as we call it but about tzoah rotachat, a compartment of sheol; it's not about present punishment but is regarded as punishment with respite; it doesn't say the Yeshu is being punished but that he speaks of the punishment; and it doesn't speak of immersion. I'll be happy to put you down as getting the quote correct the second time, but the interpretation is still complex context, as I linked.
The Sabbatean's "sympathy" victim card is long expired
I have questions related to these quotes between you two:
What's the punishment if a Gentile transgresses the Noahide Laws? DEATH!!!
Correct, and according to the Noahide laws that can only be tried by a court of justice established by Noahides i.e. people of all nations together. So no Jew can cause their definition of idolatry to prevail without agreement by the court of all nations.
What if there is a 'league of nations' possibly 10 Kingdoms united in a new world order that do decree their version of Noahide laws?
I think that could fit in with end times prophecy inasmuch as the laws as Christians understand them would be bastardized in the technical sense as without the Father, who Christians know as God.
Edit: should have added u/Third-Eye-Vision (please let me know if this chime goes thru because it's an edit)
It'd be just like any of several prior empires that criminalized the covenant people, declaring themselves the representatives of humanity (i.e. of Noahides). Nothing new.
Yes, I think the future holds an empire persecuting Christianity both directly and indirectly just as we see presently given the literal persecution in ~60 countries and the indirect persecution we permit in the West via legal and cultural manipulation. Christians are already being beheaded regularly, no need for LaHaye and Jenkins to mistranslate anything. The goal of consolidating power free from Christian influence so that Christians can be further persecuted is always part of the same war.
I agree with what you've said and I think there is much common ground between what we are saying and what u/Third-Eye-Vision is saying about the Noahide laws being used against those that know God.
I acknowledge the ongoing persecution while also anticipating a persecution beyond levels that Nero or Nimrod could have imagined.
All things increase at varying levels depending upon their position, God's Kingdom is of course greater than the evils that stand against it.
A greater persecution would specifically mean the laws, though pretended to be Noahide (human), are actually inhuman and thus not Noahide at all.
People blur the whole problem of bad law over history as if the worst category of bad law should be called "Talmudic Noahide Law" and as if that's a valid description of it. If it's bad law it doesn't matter if we call it the United States Statutes or anything, it's still bad law. If a giant tyrannical empire promulgates bad law, the whiners who complain that the Jews contributed a Noahide slice to it, as if that's the only salient point, will be steamrolled in their ignorance of the whole of the problem; same as with other such problems.
No, I looked for it and it goes no further than Biblical passages that Christians accept, where slaughter of innocent women and children is either (1) unintended collateral damage during war, or (2) in one or two cases intended because of evidence of idolatrous collusion by the women and/or minors involved. If morality did not permit collateral damage, anyone could sin with impunity and surround himself with human shields and never be targetable. If morality did not permit trying minors as adults, anyone could direct minors to carry out their crimes and have no penalty. Yes, there's a lot of dehumanization going on in war today, but that's not from established morality.
No, a version of the Noahite laws was promulgated by the first pope, Peter, at the Jerusalem Council described in Acts 15:20, 29. It too prohibited idolatry but Peter, James, and Paul obviously didn't count themselves idolators!
No, that's just the first US proclamation acknowledging they exist, but all Christians accept the Jerusalem Council as binding.
Correct, and according to the Noahide laws that can only be tried by a court of justice established by Noahides i.e. people of all nations together. So no Jew can cause their definition of idolatry to prevail without agreement by the court of all nations.
I've looked closely into this Sanhedrin and found no such ruling.
YET.
Yes, modern Jews are a subset descended continuously from Yehudah. (English Jew, from French Ju, from Latin Judaeus, from Hebrew Yehudah.)
No, that's an interpretation. It says in Zech. 8:23 that "ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of [me] that is a [spiritual] Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you." Christians are "spiritual Jews". Nachash isn't related at all to moshiach.
Gladly. Most obviously, you wrote above, "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being immersed in boiling semen", when semen is not in the quote you cited (semen is referred to Balaam instead, who is different from the Yeshu mentioned). Further, the "Yeshu" is generic and conflates three or more people named "Yeshu" in the Talmud; it's not about fiery "hell" as we call it but about tzoah rotachat, a compartment of sheol; it's not about present punishment but is regarded as punishment with respite; it doesn't say the Yeshu is being punished but that he speaks of the punishment; and it doesn't speak of immersion. I'll be happy to put you down as getting the quote correct the second time, but the interpretation is still complex context, as I linked.
Correct.
I have questions related to these quotes between you two:
What if there is a 'league of nations' possibly 10 Kingdoms united in a new world order that do decree their version of Noahide laws?
I think that could fit in with end times prophecy inasmuch as the laws as Christians understand them would be bastardized in the technical sense as without the Father, who Christians know as God.
Edit: should have added u/Third-Eye-Vision (please let me know if this chime goes thru because it's an edit)
It'd be just like any of several prior empires that criminalized the covenant people, declaring themselves the representatives of humanity (i.e. of Noahides). Nothing new.
Yes, I think the future holds an empire persecuting Christianity both directly and indirectly just as we see presently given the literal persecution in ~60 countries and the indirect persecution we permit in the West via legal and cultural manipulation. Christians are already being beheaded regularly, no need for LaHaye and Jenkins to mistranslate anything. The goal of consolidating power free from Christian influence so that Christians can be further persecuted is always part of the same war.
I agree with what you've said and I think there is much common ground between what we are saying and what u/Third-Eye-Vision is saying about the Noahide laws being used against those that know God.
I acknowledge the ongoing persecution while also anticipating a persecution beyond levels that Nero or Nimrod could have imagined.
All things increase at varying levels depending upon their position, God's Kingdom is of course greater than the evils that stand against it.
A greater persecution would specifically mean the laws, though pretended to be Noahide (human), are actually inhuman and thus not Noahide at all.
People blur the whole problem of bad law over history as if the worst category of bad law should be called "Talmudic Noahide Law" and as if that's a valid description of it. If it's bad law it doesn't matter if we call it the United States Statutes or anything, it's still bad law. If a giant tyrannical empire promulgates bad law, the whiners who complain that the Jews contributed a Noahide slice to it, as if that's the only salient point, will be steamrolled in their ignorance of the whole of the problem; same as with other such problems.