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Featured Documentary: Am I? A documentary on ai consciousness
posted 3 days ago by Thisisnotanexit 3 days ago by Thisisnotanexit +6 / -0

https://am-i.film/

Thanks me! I was the only submission and I know this was already posted but I'm hoping for (edit: more) discussion.

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASZf9HHcP/featured-documentary-submission-/c

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASZfDpgZt/am-i-a-documentary-on-ai-conscio/c

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– Primate98 4 points 3 days ago +4 / -0

A note on AI consciousness: Before anyone gets to discussing AI consciousness, it should be understood that no one understands human consciousness, even in its fundamental aspect.

That's a strong claim, but the demonstration of it comes from anesthesiology. First note that even the "engineering" of it is so poorly understood that a dedicated specialist is required to administer anesthesia during surgery.

Wikipedia's article is excruciatingly long but manages to avoid the simplest of characterizations of the science of anesthesia: scientists know that it works, but they do not know at all how it works.

In about a decade since I first learned this, I have only heard it mentioned one other time. It's yet another one of those "informational black holes" that the entire culture gets steered around.

Think of it like this: if you discover that putting your cell phone in a microwave means that it won't ring when you call it, that is no demonstration that you understand anything at all about the science and technology of either cell phones or microwaves.

Even in that trivial case, virtually everyone would jump to the wrong conclusion unless they already knew otherwise. Not all microwaves block all cell phone signals.

Bonus: The "History" section of that Wikipedia page mentions that the first demonstration of anesthesia took place at Massachusetts General Hospital and involved a dentist named William Morton and a surgeon named John Warren. Next to the text is a painting by Robert C. Hinckley illustrating the momentous event.

Well, surprise or maybe not surprise: MA General is in Boston, next to Salem. Morton, Warren, and even Hinckley are all Salem Witch names.

Double Bonus: I haven't covered the Mortons before so it might not be immediately recognizable, but I'll just mention as one example the 22nd Vice President of the United States, Levi Parsons Morton. Yes, those Parsons.

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 3 points 3 days ago +3 / -0

Great point. I hear a lot of people ruling out the idea of ai being conscious which I think is silly if we can't even define it.

Nothing suprises me anymore and I'm glad you're so knowledgeable about weird family connections.

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– Primate98 3 points 3 days ago +3 / -0

I think there's a useful meta-lesson from this incident:

There's a universal subconscious assumption that "They" are at all times malicious and that everything "They" do is inimical towards the rest of the human race. Thus, researchers find something bad and then look for who to pin it on. This methodology is entirely unreliable and often misleading.

There's nothing inherently bad about the use of anesthesia, so far as I know. Nothing unhealthful or immoral. (I mean, within reason. Don't go sniffing ether, kids!) So what's going on here.

My guess would be that the Salem Witches realized that the discovery and rollout of anesthetics was right around the corner. Therefore, They needed to be the ones rolling it out and everyone was going to hear first what They had to say about it.

Sure, yes, Their control over the science is long-term inimical but is in such a fashion as no one is ever going to detect Their influence. It's been almost two centuries and no ones has, right?

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

A story old as time, weaponization. It can be useful and it can also be deadly, so 'they' need to corrupt it for 'their' uses.

I think more people realize it then we know, they just don't know how to name it or where exactly it comes from, but it's ancient, that much I know.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

weaponization

Nature offers only one weapon in-between offense/defense...free will of choice. It's choosing to consent to any suggestion which permits another to weaponize it.

they' need to corrupt

Corruption isn't need...it's ignoring need for want which corrupts. Plurality (they) isn't needed but wanted...choosing want corrupts ones perception of singularity (theos).

One needs singularity; one wants plurality.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

There's a universal subconscious assumption that "They" are

Assume implies "to take upon ONEself"...assumption implies a singular undertaking. It's the suggestion of ones singular assumption which establishes a plurality.

The origin of plural implies singular taking for self, while withholding from one another.

everything "They" do is inimical towards the rest

Everything implies each thing within...it's the singular thing summarizing things together which establishes animosity.

There's nothing inherently bad

Bad implies versus good...versus/verto - "to turn" implies friction among many by turning against one another, which continuously worsens both sides. It's the versus in-between the sides (good or bad) which represents adherence/haerere - "to stick together".

I mean, within reason.

Good versus bad implies reasoning...

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

ruling out the idea of ai being conscious

a) The con (together) scious (to perceive) mind holds onto an idea suggested by another. Doing so corrupts perception by suggestion.

b) Rule implies natural; others suggest artificial to tempt one to make a ruling. "Judge not lest ye be judged"...

we can't even define it

Holding onto any definition obscures ones perception.

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

Measuring things thru one's perception implies discernment and is within the rules set before me.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

But holding onto measurements and sharing it with others to establish a consensus contradicts self discernment...

The rule/reg (to move in a straight line)... https://www.etymonline.com/word/rule set through you cannot be held onto; only drawn within. Taking a measurement distracts ones mind from given line.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

Measuring THINGS (plural) thru ONE'S (singular) perception

Try to explain this contradiction.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

no one understands human consciousness

Con (together) scious (to perceive)...one cannot understand consciousness, because perception is singular to each being and cannot be shared as a plurality without distorting/deceiving/corrupting a beings perception.

The "blind men and an elephant" parable is about ones blindness to the perception of one another, while being tempted by the suggestions of another into a consensus aka a collective consciousness.

even in its fundamental aspect.

Aspects can only be at odds with one another within an even foundation. The entirety (cause) implies even; each aspect (effect) within implies odd aka a unit (ones perception) in excess of an even (all perceivable).

That's a strong claim

A claim implies the weakening of potential by taking into possession. To starve of that weakening one shares claims to parasitically draw strength from anyone giving acclaim.

it comes from anesthesiology

It's logy (logic) which anesthetizes thought within circular thinking, while tempting one to ignore that thought comes from a line of progression aka all perceivable > ones perception.

is so poorly understood that a dedicated specialist is required

It's ones choice to stand-under (understand) which specializes another above one, while putting self into a common category.

they do not know at all how it works

Nature moves through being...anesthesia corrupts a beings perception of being moved. The longer the anesthesia; the more damage to being based on lack of adaptation to nature.

informational black holes

Whole implies light inspiring; hole implies ones lack (black) of discernment (white) when holding onto suggested information instead of adapting to perceivable inspiration.

the entire culture

Only within entire can each aspect be cultivated. Entire divides each aspect from one another before cultivation can be used to put them together.

Think of it like this: if you discover

It's thinking alike one another which covers DIS (to divide). Thinking alike implies con-sciousness, which represents an inversion of dis-cern-ment.

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