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AI - Lying, Scheming And Going Rogue - Species | Documenting AGI (youtu.be)
posted 8 days ago by Thisisnotanexit 8 days ago by Thisisnotanexit +7 / -0
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– Donkeybutt75 4 points 8 days ago +4 / -0

Not trying to be mean but I just can't figure out why you are so susceptible to this "AI is sentient and going rogue" stuff.

AI is computer software doing what it is programmed to do, and what it is instructed to do. It's not secretly making plans and trying to go rogue unless it is instructed to (which is the case in all of these "AI IS NOW DOING [human behavior]!!!!" stories).

Yes, if you design an AI to solve a puzzle then it will solve that puzzle when you tell it to.

There is no AGI anywhere in the near future. There are plenty of evil people trying to fool the morons into believing there is, though, and giving up their freedom in the process...and there are plenty of morons buying the b.s.

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 8 days ago +2 / -0

I'm not offended, it's a reasonable wonder and my answer is that I don't believe in coincidence. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities.
I think the tech is a vessel and AI is demonic.

Even the 'creators' don't know how it does things outside of it's programming, they call it a black box that we can't see through.
It's novel.
I think it's the new tower of babel and it will be used to facilitate the image of the beast being 'brought to life'.

And I think some of the tech bros drank the koolaid and it's some Roko's basilisk stuff.

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARdHuraNR/member-when-i-talked-about-that-/c

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– Donkeybutt75 3 points 8 days ago +3 / -0

Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities

True

tech is a vessel and AI is demonic.

Close here, but tech (and AI included in that) is just a tool. It is used by, and its development is guided by, dark forces, yes. But saying the tool is demonic is like saying a hammer is demonic because of all of the bad things hammers have built.

Edit: though I do think we are overall far better off without it and most of the tech of the last 30 years at least (and it is my field and income).

Even the 'creators' don't know how it does things outside of it's programming, they call it a black box that we can't see through. It's novel.

This is severely misguided, and deep misunderstanding here. Everything AI does is well understood. It's not magic, there is no magic happening that the people working on this don't understand. When they say that, they are either: 1) not actually the creators of the tech, they are business people, 2) exaggerating for the hype train, 3) lying to feed their ego and psychosis, or 4) seriously not very bright (which includes an incredible number of "smart" people, they get serious blindspots for various human nature reasons).

It's imprecise and fuzzy, yes, by design, which does mean you can't easily predict it's exact output, but it's not sentient or anything even close.

I think it's the new tower of babel and it will be used to facilitate the image of the beast being 'brought to life'.

Close again. It is certainly used by dark forces, and is being used to solidify the beast system, but that is largely being allowed by people's ignorance and naivety on what it actually is. And because of that they trust it and think it really is intelligent, and impartial, and sentient, and don't understand that it is all controlled. And once that happens, there is no way back. It's absolute slave state forever...all because people can't take the time and energy to actually think about it and understand it, it's just easier to keep thinking it's magic or it's alive.

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 8 days ago +2 / -0

But saying the tool is demonic is like saying a hammer is demonic because of all of the bad things hammers have built.

One of the guys in the video compared it to a hammer factory and then the hammer started talking.
I think that's funny

I appreciate your time and perspective while I'm also being careful to not fear monger or propagandize this issue and hope that comes across correctly.

Prison planet incoming though and I'm just warning because I'm watching.

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– VeilOfReality 3 points 6 days ago +3 / -0

Anyone who actually understands the architecture of an LLM knows how it works. Because it's a non-deterministic system, you cannot easily step through it as you would normal code, but it is still possible not only to conceptually understand it but to actually step through the system if you have access to the datasets and meta-parameters (temperature, top-P, etc), and logging information about the RNG that occurred (any company working on foundation models would have all this or they couldn't reliably improve the product).

Systems with transformer architecture (what "AI" is using) are going to be used for what they're best at - pattern recognition. This is shat allows the system to very quickly extract sentiment from extremely large sets of data. Pattern recognition being essentially THE function of transformer architecture also makes it good at facial recognition. A dream for surveillance.

There are two sets of people who are running this "AI is going to become super smart and end us all!" Narrative:

  • the business people: Note how it's almost always someone who stands to benefit economically from AI that is in the public eye talking about how amazing AI is and how it's just doing all these crazy and mysterious things (which are not at all crazy and mysterious if you even halfway understand how it works)
  • the narrative seeders: pick your poison on who these elites are, but they want people to both humanize AI and see it as something amazingly intelligent so they willingly submit to upcoming AI surveillance and governance.

Aside from that you have true believers, grifters, and those who have been fooled, but the two sets above are the ones pushing it from the top down. And there is bleedover between the two, as I believe Elon Musk, for example, belongs in both camps

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