You're shifting goalposts to a much more general statement.
This fake science I've seen in nazi propaganda such as "black person == small forehead == no brain" is absurd. If you only know a handful of black people you can easily disprove that as any kind of rule.
Some of my extended family are Africans with large foreheads. And I don't have nearly as prominent a forehead as they do yet I excelled in school above 98% of my peers in a white country. And I'm not all African, but I've seen African immigrants at my school, pure sub-Saharan supposed "subhuman" people at the top of their college class majoring in a difficult subject. One was valedictorian. It completely exposes the nazi narrative as delusional.
And if you want to talk about genetics you need to talk about epigenetics, but most of these neo-nazis aren't sharp enough to know about that.
You present anecdotal evidence and exceptions to the rule but that doesn't prove much.
Statistically it's been established that sub-Saharan people (but also Hindus, Indians and Arabs) have a lower IQ than white people. The regime literally cancelled biology Nobel laureate James Watson for racism because of his findings.
Can you tell just by looking at the forehead? I think it's more about those races having a specific phenotype but the causal factor here is race (the whole), and not characteristics (the parts). So while characteristics like small forehead can still have predictive quality, it's a parts-whole fallacy and it's not the small forehead in particular that causes lower IQ.
It's hilarious watching darwinists atheists squirm about racism when the whole point of Darwin's work and of evo theory's natural selection was to demonstrate the fittest species and races get to the top.
In fact the outliers do disprove the nazi narrative. Nazis love to push the idea of sub-Saharan Africans being "subhuman" due to "bad genetics", but if their people can in just a generation or two of good habits achieve peak academic performance in white countries, the narrative falls apart.
Now you're arguing "it's been established that sub-Saharan people...have a low IQ than white people" on average, which is not something I ever argued against.
but the causal factor here is race (the whole),
That's where you're oversimplifying things. This assumes once upon a time God created the "white genome" and then created the "black genome" and "indian genome" with their characteristics locked in place forever. That's not how things work.
As I said there is a phenomenon of epigenetics. As humans we all have this amazing human biology given to us by God which can be improved or damaged through our actions. We are highly adaptable creatures. And those outliers I mentioned proves my point completely and disproves the Nazi narrative completely.
These Africans didn't need to "evolve" through hundreds of thousands of years of "natural selection" in Europe to reach those levels of intellectual achievement.
I would say, it's also hilarious some professing Christians end up supporting Darwinian evolution. The sword cuts both ways.
In fact the outliers do disprove the nazi narrative. Nazis love to push the idea of sub-Saharan Africans being "subhuman" due to "bad genetics", but if their people can in just a generation or two of good habits achieve peak academic performance in white countries, the narrative falls apart.
Dude, I already told you the claim is not made by nazis alone but by renowned biologists and Nobel laureates. In fact I don't care what nazi think because they're delusional. They're not subhuman but races are different. One such difference is general lower IQ which is not just explained by environment but is also genetic.
This idea that we're all created equal and our circumstances are the only thing that matters is exactly why deranged leftists think it's ok to deluge the civilized countries with third world immigrants because eventually they will assimilate and integrate. No, the majority of them won't. There's a good reason why their countries are shitholes and have been so for thousands of years. They are incapable of building and living in a civilized society, just like in the OT the neighboring kingdoms of Israel were incapable of not being degenerate, killing their offspring and worshiping idols.
Since you're a Christian you should have no problems with agreeing that there's ontological difference between the races - the descendants of Ham (black people) were cursed to be subservient to the descendants of Shem (semites) and Japheth (whites, asians). This is the Biblical narrative and it's still considered racist, even though it has nothing to do with darwinism which was adopted by the nazis.
These Africans didn't need to "evolve" through hundreds of thousands of years of "natural selection" in Europe to reach those levels of intellectual achievement.
I'm a Christian and I don't think anyone evolved anywhere.
That's where you're oversimplifying things. This assumes once upon a time God created the "white genome" and then created the "black genome" and "indian genome" with their characteristics locked in place forever. That's not how things work.
No, God created only Adam and Eve as perfect beings and all human genes stem from them. The races were formed long after the fall and after the flood.
One such difference is general lower IQ which is not just explained by environment but is also genetic.
Notice how I never once said there aren't average IQ differences between races. However, genetics are not set in stone at the creation of man. So acting like they are is to ignore reality.
This idea that we're all created equal and our circumstances are the only thing that matters is exactly why deranged leftists think it's ok to deluge the civilized countries with third world immigrants because eventually they will assimilate and integrate.
And that's the problem, no one is capable of nuance and therefore accuracy on this issue. It's too polarized. Either you want open borders or you must ban an entire race, with no in between. I don't argue you can just allow mass immigration and expect assimilation. Just because something is technically possible does not mean it is what is probable at scale.
They are incapable of building and living in a civilized society
Is your belief. It's not scientifically valid as I already demonstrated. The existence of high achievers does disprove that mathematically and logically. Humans are capable of reproduction and discipline can be passed down. In my own life I've been to many family gathers of a hundred plus extended family and its in no way uncivilized. I've never felt unsafe or like I was in some kind of backwards place at those. The few extended family I know on my white side are actually more dysfunctional. So to argue with me that my family has genetics incapable of building and living in a civilized way will always seem absurd. You can't trump lived experience with "muh statistics" and "hey watch this racist youtube video"
the descendants of Ham (black people) were cursed to be subservient to the descendants of Shem (semites) and Japheth (whites, asians)
If this is what Orthodox are teaching, that's concerning. You're assuming a curse Noah put on Canaan is valid for all black people? That's just kind of insane. I don't see the logic there.
I'm also not convinced Canaanites were black, I'm pretty sure they were some kind of Arab. But I haven't looked into the genealogy much, since in 1 Timothy we read "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith".
So I looked more into the genealogy, and even if we somehow take Noah's curse on Canaan to extend to all his descendants (absurd IMHO), black Africans descend from Cush who is another son of Ham.
And a few other pieces of evidence about Cushites in the Bible.
Moses also married a Cush woman, so the idea that there was this clear class distinction is just not true according to scripture.
You can also look in the New Testament where a Cush priest is coming to the temple to worship, not as a slave but as a dignitary of the Ethiopian queen.
Cush was also the father of Nimrod, who was a king of Babylon I think after the flood.
The "curse" I see on black people is often the sin of witchcraft and ungodliness. What do my successful family in America have in common? Strong Christian faith. Not that every single person is born again saint, but a large proportion of them being believers lifts up the entire group. I saw it in my own life first hand. Without faith, following the world, I crashed and burned despite every opportunity and a good deal of natural talent. Faith was essential.
And if you look at people in the village in my father's country (which I'll keep to myself) there is plenty of witchcraft and voodoo masquerading as "christianity"
You're shifting goalposts to a much more general statement.
This fake science I've seen in nazi propaganda such as "black person == small forehead == no brain" is absurd. If you only know a handful of black people you can easily disprove that as any kind of rule.
Some of my extended family are Africans with large foreheads. And I don't have nearly as prominent a forehead as they do yet I excelled in school above 98% of my peers in a white country. And I'm not all African, but I've seen African immigrants at my school, pure sub-Saharan supposed "subhuman" people at the top of their college class majoring in a difficult subject. One was valedictorian. It completely exposes the nazi narrative as delusional.
And if you want to talk about genetics you need to talk about epigenetics, but most of these neo-nazis aren't sharp enough to know about that.
You present anecdotal evidence and exceptions to the rule but that doesn't prove much.
Statistically it's been established that sub-Saharan people (but also Hindus, Indians and Arabs) have a lower IQ than white people. The regime literally cancelled biology Nobel laureate James Watson for racism because of his findings.
Can you tell just by looking at the forehead? I think it's more about those races having a specific phenotype but the causal factor here is race (the whole), and not characteristics (the parts). So while characteristics like small forehead can still have predictive quality, it's a parts-whole fallacy and it's not the small forehead in particular that causes lower IQ.
It's hilarious watching darwinists atheists squirm about racism when the whole point of Darwin's work and of evo theory's natural selection was to demonstrate the fittest species and races get to the top.
In fact the outliers do disprove the nazi narrative. Nazis love to push the idea of sub-Saharan Africans being "subhuman" due to "bad genetics", but if their people can in just a generation or two of good habits achieve peak academic performance in white countries, the narrative falls apart.
Now you're arguing "it's been established that sub-Saharan people...have a low IQ than white people" on average, which is not something I ever argued against.
That's where you're oversimplifying things. This assumes once upon a time God created the "white genome" and then created the "black genome" and "indian genome" with their characteristics locked in place forever. That's not how things work.
As I said there is a phenomenon of epigenetics. As humans we all have this amazing human biology given to us by God which can be improved or damaged through our actions. We are highly adaptable creatures. And those outliers I mentioned proves my point completely and disproves the Nazi narrative completely.
These Africans didn't need to "evolve" through hundreds of thousands of years of "natural selection" in Europe to reach those levels of intellectual achievement.
I would say, it's also hilarious some professing Christians end up supporting Darwinian evolution. The sword cuts both ways.
Dude, I already told you the claim is not made by nazis alone but by renowned biologists and Nobel laureates. In fact I don't care what nazi think because they're delusional. They're not subhuman but races are different. One such difference is general lower IQ which is not just explained by environment but is also genetic.
This idea that we're all created equal and our circumstances are the only thing that matters is exactly why deranged leftists think it's ok to deluge the civilized countries with third world immigrants because eventually they will assimilate and integrate. No, the majority of them won't. There's a good reason why their countries are shitholes and have been so for thousands of years. They are incapable of building and living in a civilized society, just like in the OT the neighboring kingdoms of Israel were incapable of not being degenerate, killing their offspring and worshiping idols.
Since you're a Christian you should have no problems with agreeing that there's ontological difference between the races - the descendants of Ham (black people) were cursed to be subservient to the descendants of Shem (semites) and Japheth (whites, asians). This is the Biblical narrative and it's still considered racist, even though it has nothing to do with darwinism which was adopted by the nazis.
I'm a Christian and I don't think anyone evolved anywhere.
No, God created only Adam and Eve as perfect beings and all human genes stem from them. The races were formed long after the fall and after the flood.
Notice how I never once said there aren't average IQ differences between races. However, genetics are not set in stone at the creation of man. So acting like they are is to ignore reality.
And that's the problem, no one is capable of nuance and therefore accuracy on this issue. It's too polarized. Either you want open borders or you must ban an entire race, with no in between. I don't argue you can just allow mass immigration and expect assimilation. Just because something is technically possible does not mean it is what is probable at scale.
Is your belief. It's not scientifically valid as I already demonstrated. The existence of high achievers does disprove that mathematically and logically. Humans are capable of reproduction and discipline can be passed down. In my own life I've been to many family gathers of a hundred plus extended family and its in no way uncivilized. I've never felt unsafe or like I was in some kind of backwards place at those. The few extended family I know on my white side are actually more dysfunctional. So to argue with me that my family has genetics incapable of building and living in a civilized way will always seem absurd. You can't trump lived experience with "muh statistics" and "hey watch this racist youtube video"
If this is what Orthodox are teaching, that's concerning. You're assuming a curse Noah put on Canaan is valid for all black people? That's just kind of insane. I don't see the logic there.
I'm also not convinced Canaanites were black, I'm pretty sure they were some kind of Arab. But I haven't looked into the genealogy much, since in 1 Timothy we read "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith".
So I looked more into the genealogy, and even if we somehow take Noah's curse on Canaan to extend to all his descendants (absurd IMHO), black Africans descend from Cush who is another son of Ham.
And a few other pieces of evidence about Cushites in the Bible.
Moses also married a Cush woman, so the idea that there was this clear class distinction is just not true according to scripture.
You can also look in the New Testament where a Cush priest is coming to the temple to worship, not as a slave but as a dignitary of the Ethiopian queen.
Cush was also the father of Nimrod, who was a king of Babylon I think after the flood.
The "curse" I see on black people is often the sin of witchcraft and ungodliness. What do my successful family in America have in common? Strong Christian faith. Not that every single person is born again saint, but a large proportion of them being believers lifts up the entire group. I saw it in my own life first hand. Without faith, following the world, I crashed and burned despite every opportunity and a good deal of natural talent. Faith was essential.
And if you look at people in the village in my father's country (which I'll keep to myself) there is plenty of witchcraft and voodoo masquerading as "christianity"