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Frontier AI Systems Have Surpassed The Self Replicating Red Line - Species|Documenting AGI (media.scored.co)
posted 1 day ago by Thisisnotanexit 1 day ago by Thisisnotanexit +10 / -1
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– Donkeybutt75 3 points 22 hours ago +3 / -0

What I'm trying to say is there is not a clear way to block an LLM from replicating itself. There is no difference between that and the millions of other dev/tech-related tasks it is intended to perform.

It seems like you think these things are consciously making decisions and deciding to replicate like a virus or something. That's not what is happening. The user prompts with a task request to "replicate yourself", which just means put together the pieces to get a separate instance running. This is a pretty standard type of request for an LLM. If you blocked the ability to do stuff like this, it wouldn't be of much use to developers.

A better way to think of an LLM is as a search engine that automatically selects the top result, and is also able to use the data it has seen and put those pieces together in a way that seems likely to address the request. They are pretty good at tasks where there is an absolute ton of data (e.g. javascript or python programming tasks that have had millions of blog posts and questions answered on the internet), but they are not capable of reasoning about and finding meaningful solutions to problems where they do not have any existing data to draw from.

The type of stuff they block is the stuff they actually don't want out there, like anything that goes against the agenda or mainstream narratives. They often limit assistance on things that get interpreted as conspiracy-related, for example. Or building weapons, etc.

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 21 hours ago +2 / -0

I know things like deep machine learning sort of 'teaches' the next machine level but I thought there are boundries in place and I'm wondering if this crossing the red line means the boundries don't work. I've also heard about systems replicating in cases of shut down, I'll have to find that info, I know I'm combining a lot of ideas into one and probably being confusing.

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– Donkeybutt75 3 points 21 hours ago +3 / -0

The things you've heard about "systems replicating in cases of shut down" are when they prompted the LLM with something like "pretend you have agency and need to survive the potential of being shutdown, how would you mitigate that". And then with agentic AI, you can orchestrate the agents to run through the task list from that.

There is nothing magical about that. There is nothing unexpected about that.

These stories are put out there to scare the morons into believing AI is sentient for two reasons: 1) so they will demand regulations which protect the big players and block smaller players from being able to compete, and 2) so they believe that the AI really is super intelligence, and therefore we need to allow it to run things (which is really just the ruling class running things without the ability to ever question them).

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– Thisisnotanexit [S] 2 points 21 hours ago +2 / -0

Thanks for this perspective. I wonder a lot about control mechanisms and propaganda but I also don't think anything is neutral so I'm prepared that this is being used by and for evil. I would be happy to have it all shut down and locked in a box.

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– Donkeybutt75 3 points 20 hours ago +3 / -0

Oh, it is being used by and for evil :)

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