Jews should be presented unavoidably with the message of Jesus Christ
Today’s jews are presented with the truth, which is Jesus, every day of the week. Every hour and every minute, 24 hours a day. We live in the information age. What do they do? They reject it, constantly. Proof is all over the place, just take a look at Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Ukraine, and much more. I have yet to meet a jew who is awaken, but I have met many who are woke. It’s not the same thing. Today the Ashkenazi jews, whose ancestors originated in Central and Eastern Europe, make up 95% of world jewry. Ashkenazi means German in Hebrew. The term is used for Jews of eastern European origin who historically spoke the Yiddish language. Each and every Prime Minister of the state of Israel comes either directly from Eastern Europe or is removed by one generation therefrom. All 12 of them since 1948 have been Ashkenazi jews. I’m sure you know this already.
Jesus and a million of the first Christians came from the Jews
That’s what I mean by bullshit. Jesus was not a jew, there were no jews in his time. The word jew was invented much later and coined in the 18th century AD. You already know this. Jesus was not a jew he was a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the bloodline of Judah, and an Israelite from Galilee.
People living in the area where Jesus was killed were called Judeans. A Judean is one who is a resident of Judea regardless of his religion, race, or nationality. The same you would say today about anyone living in United States, he/she is an American. The Judean historian Flavius Josephus describes how the Idumeans (Edomites) became known as “Judeans” through a forced conversion imposed by John Hyrcanus, who was the ruler of Judea around 130 BCE.
evangelizing the Jews
Be free to evangelize all you want, IMO it’s a waste of time. Zionism is from the Babylonian Talmud, and it’s the antithesis of the Bible. The Talmud teaches jews to hate gentiles, to steal from them, rape them, even kill them. There are plenty of people who criticize the Talmud. I won’t be one of them.
IMO, anything that is meant to divide people should be discarded. Not promoted and certainly not taught in schools.
Lifeway found via survey that about a million Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah. Yes, many Jews reject Jesus consciously, but many others are in a walled garden created to shield them from thinking about Jesus.
The current proportion of Ashkenazi among the Jews is about 75%, it was higher in the past but they are not reproducing or converting as fast as Chabad (or Messianism). I showed separately that their intermarriage with other Jews means they do have some Eastern European and some Semitic heritage just like any merger of peoples that does not erase the rights to continue the same polity.
Apparently you haven't been watching the other comments here about the etymology of "Jew". Jesus was a Ioudaios in Greek or Judaeus in Latin, and around 900 the French elided this word to Ju, before the Khazar conversion to Judaism had any influence. Here are 42 Scriptures where Jesus identifies as a Jew (Judahite and Judean). Spellings of "Jew" appeared in English in the 1200s. To say that "Jew" is not an ordinary elision used for the pre-Khazar Judahites and to pretend "Judaeus" and "Ju" are not the same people in early France where the short form originated is to ignore history and etymology.
Yes, Edomites were permitted to become Judeans by full naturalization including circumcision 150 years before Christ's ministry, which means their progeny were full Judeans by intermarriage, not a separate people. Jesus and the other Judeans were the same people.
I typically ask people to define "Zionism" because it's a weasel word that can mean anything.
The Talmud rightly quoted does not teach what you say. By saying that, you are indeed criticizing the Talmud, and that wrongly because you echo the telephone game of false charges that have been passed down and misheard for centuries. The Talmud is superstitious and insular but it does not teach hatred or destruction any more than the Bible teaches "There is no God" simply because that quote appears in the Psalms.
Lifeway found via survey that about a million Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah
This smells like bullshit to me. I don't care about surveys anyway. Let me be honest with you, I believe you're a jew. I'm not, but there are personal reasons I wish they could be saved. Let's just leave it at that.
They'll never accept Jesus, because they have no idea who or what he is. Heck, the Church, for the most part, doesn't know either. Only a miracle from the true God might change that. Like I said Jesus is the awakening, he is alive and he is the truth. All of it rejected by the jews today.
others are in a walled garden created to shield them from thinking about Jesus
IMO, jews don't need to think about Jesus, all they have to do is get rid of all their possessions, money, fame, prestige, "the chosen people" mentality, their Talmud, Zohar and Kabbalah. And stop lying and trying to cause division with their lies, in order to become rich. But, that is hard to do. "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into God's kingdom." - Matthew 19:24
etymology of "Jew". Jesus was a Ioudaios in Greek or Judaeus in Latin
I know about that.
Spellings of "Jew" appeared in English in the 1200s.
Go back and re-read my comment. I said the concept of jew was invented later, then the word jew was coined. The first time the word jew was used was in 1775 AD, when Sheridan used it in his play "The Rivals", II,i, "She shall have a skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew.". Even the letter J was only invented in the 16th century. It was first used as a letter by Gian Giorgio Trissino in 1524. However, the distinction between J and I as separate letters was not fully established until the 17th century. Trissino made the distinction from the Greek word “Iesus”, a translation of the Hebrew word “Yeshua”. He “found” that the proper spelling should be Jesus, as we now hear it in modern English.
Jesus and the other Judeans were the same people
No idea what that means. But I know this is confusing for most people. They worked very hard to conceal Jesus's identity. Most people in Judea (edomite jews) at the time of Jesus, to whom he had very harsh things to say, were not a part of any tribe of Israel, including the Tribe of Judah. They were a mixture of Babylonians, Cannanites, Hittites, but mainly Edomites.
Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron. Levi was the third son of Jacob. Jacob was named Israel by God. Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David. Judah was also a son of Jacob. Jacob’s sons were the first Israelites. Jesus was specifically an Israelite because he was a direct descendant of two of the sons of Jacob/Israel.
The Talmud rightly quoted does not teach what you say
It doesn't really matter what Talmud teaches or doesn't. Many jews today define themselves as jews only in an ethnic or cultural sense. Most are either agnostics or atheists. For instance Theodore Hertzl, considered the father of Zionism, was an atheist. And that applies to the rest of the Zionists that work hard on the project Israel. They lie.
I'm a covenantalist Reformed Christian who discovered the Hebrew roots by study of covenant.
there are personal reasons I wish they could be saved .... They'll never accept Jesus, because they have no idea who or what he is.
Then you would support Jewish evangelism that shows them unavoidably who and what Jesus is, by miracle, which is what Hebrew study drives me to strive for, including suffering with Jews as other missionaries suffer with the people they've adopted.
I said the concept of jew was invented later, then the word jew was coined.
When Ju was coined ca. 900 it meant the same as Judaeus. The fact that it went through various spellings before standardization, Iewe, Iew, Jew, etc. doesn't change that; the late date of the I/J distinction doesn't either. I don't know the first time it was spelled "Jew", but that's irrelevant because it meant the same as "Iewe" which is much older. The pronunciation difference also emerged much earlier, probably before the 1300s, than it was made a hard rule.
Since the words for Jew always referred to the same polity of people descended from the Judahites, there is no point at which a new concept for "Jew" was invented.
Most people in Judea (edomite jews) at the time of Jesus, to whom he had very harsh things to say, were not a part of any tribe of Israel, including the Tribe of Judah. They were a mixture of Babylonians, Cannanites, Hittites, but mainly Edomites.
That's what there is no evidence for. When the Jews were founded, a mixed multitude of Egyptians joined them and intermarried, and they were united not on birth alone but by birth or naturalization through circumcision. Over time the Canaanites and others sometimes intermarried but their culture was resisted consistently and only the Jewish circumcised culture was permitted; this is also true of Hyrcanus's conversion of the Edomites. There is no point at which the Judeans were regarded as two people, Israelite and non-Israelite; they were all Israelites by birth or naturalization and they kept Israelite culture. I pointed out that the Pharisees kept the same mishna as Jesus did, there were never two mishnas. Therefore Jesus and the Judeans were the same people, there was only one people; the other tribes of Israel had been absorbed into Judah/Judea. The fact that Israel was led by Aaronites (kohanim) and Levites shows that they were all Israelites.
The Bible gives Jesus's descent from Judah via his mother and his kingly rights to Judah via his adopted father, and explicitly denies that Jesus was from Levi (Heb. 7:11-14), so I don't know who's giving you the Levi angle because it's not the Bible.
So I've respectfully asked people, if they think there were two peoples that maintained such distinction that descendants of both can be distinguished today, when was there ever evidence of these two peoples staying apart all this time? The evidence doesn't show that. It shows that outsiders don't have the right to say who are Jews, and I add that this is so in the same way that everyone agrees that Jews don't have the right to say who are Americans.
The Bible gives Jesus's descent from Judah via his mother
Mary was closely related to Elizabeth, wife of Zacharias. Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron, and therefore so was Mary. So Mary was descended from the tribe of Levi, through Aaron. I did say Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David.
Most people, like yourself, think Jesus was a jew, but Jesus was an Israelite, not a jew. Israelites were the ones who were called "the chosen people of God.” Edomites, and their descendants, now called jews, are not the chosen people. The fact that modern day jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies in history.
You could say Jesus was a jew by religion, but that would also be false. Jesus's religion was Hebrewism, the religion of the Hebrews and of the Israelites. “The return from Babylon [following the Captivity, about 538 B.C.], and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism" - Stephen S. Wise, chief rabbi of US
When the people returned from the Babylonian captivity, brought back a different religion than the one practiced earlier. The new religion was the Tradition of the Elders (or Judaism, see Steven S Wise above), and that religion was based on the teachings of the rabbis (Talmud). Jesus criticized the jews, or Pharisees, for establishing the Talmud, which at the time of Jesus was still called the Tradition of the Elders. The Israelites who were still in Judea in Jesus time practiced Hebrewism, the religion of their ancestors, even though that religion had been largely eliminated by the rabbis.
outsiders don't have the right to say who are Jews
Yes, we now have the right to identify those so-called jews. The crimes they have and continually are committing all over the World gives us that right. From banking/usury, to financing wars (on both sides), to loxism, to Epstein, to secret societies, to ADL and AIPAC, to wokism, to terrorism, to communism, to pornography, to mass illegal migration, to genocide in Gaza, and more ... give us that right.
Today’s jews are presented with the truth, which is Jesus, every day of the week. Every hour and every minute, 24 hours a day. We live in the information age. What do they do? They reject it, constantly. Proof is all over the place, just take a look at Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Ukraine, and much more. I have yet to meet a jew who is awaken, but I have met many who are woke. It’s not the same thing. Today the Ashkenazi jews, whose ancestors originated in Central and Eastern Europe, make up 95% of world jewry. Ashkenazi means German in Hebrew. The term is used for Jews of eastern European origin who historically spoke the Yiddish language. Each and every Prime Minister of the state of Israel comes either directly from Eastern Europe or is removed by one generation therefrom. All 12 of them since 1948 have been Ashkenazi jews. I’m sure you know this already.
That’s what I mean by bullshit. Jesus was not a jew, there were no jews in his time. The word jew was invented much later and coined in the 18th century AD. You already know this. Jesus was not a jew he was a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the bloodline of Judah, and an Israelite from Galilee.
People living in the area where Jesus was killed were called Judeans. A Judean is one who is a resident of Judea regardless of his religion, race, or nationality. The same you would say today about anyone living in United States, he/she is an American. The Judean historian Flavius Josephus describes how the Idumeans (Edomites) became known as “Judeans” through a forced conversion imposed by John Hyrcanus, who was the ruler of Judea around 130 BCE.
Be free to evangelize all you want, IMO it’s a waste of time. Zionism is from the Babylonian Talmud, and it’s the antithesis of the Bible. The Talmud teaches jews to hate gentiles, to steal from them, rape them, even kill them. There are plenty of people who criticize the Talmud. I won’t be one of them.
IMO, anything that is meant to divide people should be discarded. Not promoted and certainly not taught in schools.
Lifeway found via survey that about a million Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah. Yes, many Jews reject Jesus consciously, but many others are in a walled garden created to shield them from thinking about Jesus.
The current proportion of Ashkenazi among the Jews is about 75%, it was higher in the past but they are not reproducing or converting as fast as Chabad (or Messianism). I showed separately that their intermarriage with other Jews means they do have some Eastern European and some Semitic heritage just like any merger of peoples that does not erase the rights to continue the same polity.
Apparently you haven't been watching the other comments here about the etymology of "Jew". Jesus was a Ioudaios in Greek or Judaeus in Latin, and around 900 the French elided this word to Ju, before the Khazar conversion to Judaism had any influence. Here are 42 Scriptures where Jesus identifies as a Jew (Judahite and Judean). Spellings of "Jew" appeared in English in the 1200s. To say that "Jew" is not an ordinary elision used for the pre-Khazar Judahites and to pretend "Judaeus" and "Ju" are not the same people in early France where the short form originated is to ignore history and etymology.
Yes, Edomites were permitted to become Judeans by full naturalization including circumcision 150 years before Christ's ministry, which means their progeny were full Judeans by intermarriage, not a separate people. Jesus and the other Judeans were the same people.
I typically ask people to define "Zionism" because it's a weasel word that can mean anything.
The Talmud rightly quoted does not teach what you say. By saying that, you are indeed criticizing the Talmud, and that wrongly because you echo the telephone game of false charges that have been passed down and misheard for centuries. The Talmud is superstitious and insular but it does not teach hatred or destruction any more than the Bible teaches "There is no God" simply because that quote appears in the Psalms.
So I deliver facts for those who are interested.
This smells like bullshit to me. I don't care about surveys anyway. Let me be honest with you, I believe you're a jew. I'm not, but there are personal reasons I wish they could be saved. Let's just leave it at that.
They'll never accept Jesus, because they have no idea who or what he is. Heck, the Church, for the most part, doesn't know either. Only a miracle from the true God might change that. Like I said Jesus is the awakening, he is alive and he is the truth. All of it rejected by the jews today.
IMO, jews don't need to think about Jesus, all they have to do is get rid of all their possessions, money, fame, prestige, "the chosen people" mentality, their Talmud, Zohar and Kabbalah. And stop lying and trying to cause division with their lies, in order to become rich. But, that is hard to do. "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into God's kingdom." - Matthew 19:24
I know about that.
Go back and re-read my comment. I said the concept of jew was invented later, then the word jew was coined. The first time the word jew was used was in 1775 AD, when Sheridan used it in his play "The Rivals", II,i, "She shall have a skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew.". Even the letter J was only invented in the 16th century. It was first used as a letter by Gian Giorgio Trissino in 1524. However, the distinction between J and I as separate letters was not fully established until the 17th century. Trissino made the distinction from the Greek word “Iesus”, a translation of the Hebrew word “Yeshua”. He “found” that the proper spelling should be Jesus, as we now hear it in modern English.
No idea what that means. But I know this is confusing for most people. They worked very hard to conceal Jesus's identity. Most people in Judea (edomite jews) at the time of Jesus, to whom he had very harsh things to say, were not a part of any tribe of Israel, including the Tribe of Judah. They were a mixture of Babylonians, Cannanites, Hittites, but mainly Edomites.
Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron. Levi was the third son of Jacob. Jacob was named Israel by God. Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David. Judah was also a son of Jacob. Jacob’s sons were the first Israelites. Jesus was specifically an Israelite because he was a direct descendant of two of the sons of Jacob/Israel.
It doesn't really matter what Talmud teaches or doesn't. Many jews today define themselves as jews only in an ethnic or cultural sense. Most are either agnostics or atheists. For instance Theodore Hertzl, considered the father of Zionism, was an atheist. And that applies to the rest of the Zionists that work hard on the project Israel. They lie.
I'm a covenantalist Reformed Christian who discovered the Hebrew roots by study of covenant.
Then you would support Jewish evangelism that shows them unavoidably who and what Jesus is, by miracle, which is what Hebrew study drives me to strive for, including suffering with Jews as other missionaries suffer with the people they've adopted.
When Ju was coined ca. 900 it meant the same as Judaeus. The fact that it went through various spellings before standardization, Iewe, Iew, Jew, etc. doesn't change that; the late date of the I/J distinction doesn't either. I don't know the first time it was spelled "Jew", but that's irrelevant because it meant the same as "Iewe" which is much older. The pronunciation difference also emerged much earlier, probably before the 1300s, than it was made a hard rule.
Since the words for Jew always referred to the same polity of people descended from the Judahites, there is no point at which a new concept for "Jew" was invented.
That's what there is no evidence for. When the Jews were founded, a mixed multitude of Egyptians joined them and intermarried, and they were united not on birth alone but by birth or naturalization through circumcision. Over time the Canaanites and others sometimes intermarried but their culture was resisted consistently and only the Jewish circumcised culture was permitted; this is also true of Hyrcanus's conversion of the Edomites. There is no point at which the Judeans were regarded as two people, Israelite and non-Israelite; they were all Israelites by birth or naturalization and they kept Israelite culture. I pointed out that the Pharisees kept the same mishna as Jesus did, there were never two mishnas. Therefore Jesus and the Judeans were the same people, there was only one people; the other tribes of Israel had been absorbed into Judah/Judea. The fact that Israel was led by Aaronites (kohanim) and Levites shows that they were all Israelites.
The Bible gives Jesus's descent from Judah via his mother and his kingly rights to Judah via his adopted father, and explicitly denies that Jesus was from Levi (Heb. 7:11-14), so I don't know who's giving you the Levi angle because it's not the Bible.
So I've respectfully asked people, if they think there were two peoples that maintained such distinction that descendants of both can be distinguished today, when was there ever evidence of these two peoples staying apart all this time? The evidence doesn't show that. It shows that outsiders don't have the right to say who are Jews, and I add that this is so in the same way that everyone agrees that Jews don't have the right to say who are Americans.
Mary was closely related to Elizabeth, wife of Zacharias. Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron, and therefore so was Mary. So Mary was descended from the tribe of Levi, through Aaron. I did say Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David.
Most people, like yourself, think Jesus was a jew, but Jesus was an Israelite, not a jew. Israelites were the ones who were called "the chosen people of God.” Edomites, and their descendants, now called jews, are not the chosen people. The fact that modern day jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies in history.
You could say Jesus was a jew by religion, but that would also be false. Jesus's religion was Hebrewism, the religion of the Hebrews and of the Israelites. “The return from Babylon [following the Captivity, about 538 B.C.], and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism" - Stephen S. Wise, chief rabbi of US
When the people returned from the Babylonian captivity, brought back a different religion than the one practiced earlier. The new religion was the Tradition of the Elders (or Judaism, see Steven S Wise above), and that religion was based on the teachings of the rabbis (Talmud). Jesus criticized the jews, or Pharisees, for establishing the Talmud, which at the time of Jesus was still called the Tradition of the Elders. The Israelites who were still in Judea in Jesus time practiced Hebrewism, the religion of their ancestors, even though that religion had been largely eliminated by the rabbis.
Yes, we now have the right to identify those so-called jews. The crimes they have and continually are committing all over the World gives us that right. From banking/usury, to financing wars (on both sides), to loxism, to Epstein, to secret societies, to ADL and AIPAC, to wokism, to terrorism, to communism, to pornography, to mass illegal migration, to genocide in Gaza, and more ... give us that right.
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