Prots and their iconoclasm. Really nothing new under the sun.
You idolize a book that was given to you by the Church, its prophets and apostles. Worse - you idolize your own interpretation of scripture following the man-made tradition of talmudic puppets Luther and Calvin. It is pride that has led you to spiritual delusion (prelest).
He is, even if non-denominational. Some of them are like the muslims and believe depicting God is idolatry. It's a free-for-all all-you-can-eat buffet with them and Scripture.
How so? Is idolizing men and dead people any better? If a catholic family member dies can you ask them for 400 gorillion things too?
Church
The Church refers to THE WHOLE Body of Christ. ALL Saved people are a part of the Church. By the Biblical definition, most self proclaimed catholics are ironically and sadly not part of the Church.
And no, the Bible was 'given to us' by Godly men. Not people who thought Mary was made sinless.
Are Saints:
A. Specific and special people according to men
B. All Saved Believers
own interpretations
What one is most consistent with the rest of the Bible? Whatever evidence most supports an interpretation? That interpretation is likelist to be true. Humans are irrational and silly and blinded by sin rather than logical so ofc they won't know this.
man made
Like purgatory?
pride
Don't catholics also have this issue, what with the "WE are the FIRST Church! WE gave you the Bible! WE are the number 1 authority! WE have the One Single View, and the stupid Lower Caste do NOT!!"
Orthodox claim to be First, too.
Remember "the first shall be last and the last shall be first"?
Note: Also, very VERY fitting that someone defending catholicism also defends censorship. Pea one, Pea two, meet Pod.
He was influenced by the Talmud, even if not as outright jewed up as Zwingli and Calvin. The whole idea of everyone making their own biblical interpretation and polemicizing against the traditional interpretation which is kept unchanged within the Church is talmudic.
Once you understand this you will understand who stood behind the Reformation and why the main cities it originated from had a very strong jewish presence (Geneva, Prague, Zurich).
iconoclasm bad
Because it runs contrary to the Christian tradition which affirms icons as story telling devices and representation of angles, saints and of God. Iconoclasm is the innovation, not the other way around.
How so? Is idolizing men and dead people any better?
Strawman. We don't idolize or worship the saints, we venerate them. Protestants tend to think of the Bible as God-sent as if it were not a product of the tradition set up by Christ and compiled by the Church fathers you go against.
If a catholic family member dies can you ask them for 400 gorillion things too?
You can ask him for intercession if he were recognized as a saint, yes.
The Church refers to THE WHOLE Body of Christ. ALL
It is the body of Christ but just like His body, it exists historically and physically in our world, it's not just an abstraction. At the last supper, Christ said one has to eat His flesh and drink His blood, to be in communion with His living body, to gain eternal life.
Saved people are a part of the Church.
How do you know who is saved? It's the other way around - those within the Church, which is the Ark of salvation and God's Kingdom on Earth, are saved. The rest drown with the flood.
By the Biblical definition, most self proclaimed catholics are ironically and sadly not part of the Church.
They are not, because Rome seceded from the Orthodox Catholic Church in 1054.
What one is most consistent with the rest of the Bible? Whatever evidence most supports an interpretation? That interpretation is likelist to be true. Humans are irrational and silly and blinded by sin rather than logical so ofc they won't know this.
Every text is subject to interpretation. Interpretation is not "evidence based", it is context dependent. You can use reason and consistently reach to the wrong conclusions if your premises are wrong. This is why protestantism is not a wholistic tradition but a multiplicity of thousands of different takes on just about any verse in the Bible (including the Bible canon itself, which they take for granted yet it is not self-evident which books and translations are authoritative).
Like purgatory?
Correct. Purgatory is Vatican's fiction (although I enjoyed Dante).
Remember "the first shall be last and the last shall be first"?
This is taken out of context obviously.
Note: Also, very VERY fitting that someone defending catholicism also defends censorship. Pea one, Pea two, meet Pod.
I'm Orthodox but it's the same to you I suppose. I'm against suppression of truth. What I'm not against is suppression and eradication of lies and I believe this is consistent with the Christian faith. The difference between truth and lie is life and death, between God and Satan.
God doesn't tolerate untruth and neither should you. If that means burning books and jailing authors of dangerous deceptions, so be it. I stand by my conviction.
“Blessed are you when people reproach you, persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (Matthew 5:11 WEBPB)
Don’t deliver me over to the desire of my adversaries, for false witnesses have risen up against me, such as breathe out cruelty. (Psalms 27:12 WEBPB)
... God of my praise, don’t remain silent, for they have opened the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of deceit against me. They have spoken to me with a lying tongue. They have also surrounded me with words of hatred, and fought against me without a cause. In return for my love, they are my adversaries; but I am in prayer. They have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
(Psalms 109:1-5 WEBPB)
Prots and their iconoclasm. Really nothing new under the sun.
You idolize a book that was given to you by the Church, its prophets and apostles. Worse - you idolize your own interpretation of scripture following the man-made tradition of talmudic puppets Luther and Calvin. It is pride that has led you to spiritual delusion (prelest).
OP probably wouldn't have included images of Christ as false idols if he was Protestant.
He is, even if non-denominational. Some of them are like the muslims and believe depicting God is idolatry. It's a free-for-all all-you-can-eat buffet with them and Scripture.
Luther was big on bashing them. Wdym??
How?
How so? Is idolizing men and dead people any better? If a catholic family member dies can you ask them for 400 gorillion things too?
The Church refers to THE WHOLE Body of Christ. ALL Saved people are a part of the Church. By the Biblical definition, most self proclaimed catholics are ironically and sadly not part of the Church.
And no, the Bible was 'given to us' by Godly men. Not people who thought Mary was made sinless.
Are Saints:
A. Specific and special people according to men
B. All Saved Believers
What one is most consistent with the rest of the Bible? Whatever evidence most supports an interpretation? That interpretation is likelist to be true. Humans are irrational and silly and blinded by sin rather than logical so ofc they won't know this.
Like purgatory?
Don't catholics also have this issue, what with the "WE are the FIRST Church! WE gave you the Bible! WE are the number 1 authority! WE have the One Single View, and the stupid Lower Caste do NOT!!"
Orthodox claim to be First, too.
Remember "the first shall be last and the last shall be first"?
Note: Also, very VERY fitting that someone defending catholicism also defends censorship. Pea one, Pea two, meet Pod.
He was influenced by the Talmud, even if not as outright jewed up as Zwingli and Calvin. The whole idea of everyone making their own biblical interpretation and polemicizing against the traditional interpretation which is kept unchanged within the Church is talmudic.
Once you understand this you will understand who stood behind the Reformation and why the main cities it originated from had a very strong jewish presence (Geneva, Prague, Zurich).
Because it runs contrary to the Christian tradition which affirms icons as story telling devices and representation of angles, saints and of God. Iconoclasm is the innovation, not the other way around.
Strawman. We don't idolize or worship the saints, we venerate them. Protestants tend to think of the Bible as God-sent as if it were not a product of the tradition set up by Christ and compiled by the Church fathers you go against.
You can ask him for intercession if he were recognized as a saint, yes.
It is the body of Christ but just like His body, it exists historically and physically in our world, it's not just an abstraction. At the last supper, Christ said one has to eat His flesh and drink His blood, to be in communion with His living body, to gain eternal life.
How do you know who is saved? It's the other way around - those within the Church, which is the Ark of salvation and God's Kingdom on Earth, are saved. The rest drown with the flood.
They are not, because Rome seceded from the Orthodox Catholic Church in 1054.
Every text is subject to interpretation. Interpretation is not "evidence based", it is context dependent. You can use reason and consistently reach to the wrong conclusions if your premises are wrong. This is why protestantism is not a wholistic tradition but a multiplicity of thousands of different takes on just about any verse in the Bible (including the Bible canon itself, which they take for granted yet it is not self-evident which books and translations are authoritative).
Correct. Purgatory is Vatican's fiction (although I enjoyed Dante).
This is taken out of context obviously.
I'm Orthodox but it's the same to you I suppose. I'm against suppression of truth. What I'm not against is suppression and eradication of lies and I believe this is consistent with the Christian faith. The difference between truth and lie is life and death, between God and Satan.
God doesn't tolerate untruth and neither should you. If that means burning books and jailing authors of dangerous deceptions, so be it. I stand by my conviction.
Said the guy who posts antichristian memes. Total lunacy.