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posted 352 days ago by towards8 352 days ago by towards8 +10 / -0
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– Jacobin 1 point 346 days ago +1 / -0

So, you would discount Judas as an apostle? Because of Matthias? So it’s like a transfer of the same apostleship?

On Paul being an apostle, can I ask your thoughts on the following?

  1. When Mathias was made an apostle, it was according to strict criteria, none of which Paul met.
  2. Paul declared himself an apostle, which seems to contradict Jesus own teachings about testifying of oneself.
  3. When addressing the church at Ephesus in the book of revelation, Jesus congratulated the Ephesians on their rejection and ejection of false apostles. Although he never mentioned any by name, in the book of Acts Paul was kicked out of Ephesus for being a false apostle. Would Jesus not be referring implicitly to Paul in Revelation?
  4. 12 is a holy and complete number, being divisible by 3. In contrast, 13 is considered an evil or unlucky number. Might this indicate that a 13th apostle is the corrupting apple looking to spoil the bunch?
  5. It was Paul who sought to become an apostle to the gentiles whereas Jesus was explicit that his disciples should steer well clear of the gentiles and Minister only to the house of Israel. The Great Commission, which is the alleged evidence of Jesus including gentiles in his ministry was not present in the earliest manuscripts but only a much later addition. Without Paul, you wouldn’t have gentiles worshipping the hostile foreign god of Israel via Jesus the Jewish messiah.
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