Why has this site seen a huge turn towards Christian shit? It smells waaay off. Like, Russel Brand and all these other influencers turn Christian and this forum becomes overrun with worshippers of the Lord God of Israel via the Jesus psy op.
Why have TPTB decided to shove Christianity down everyones throats and flood boards with Christian bots etc?
Are they trying to strengthen their grip over us spiritually by reinforcing their original deception or what?
Jesus, insofar as he even existed, had no time for you unless you were Jewish. In fact, Jesus saw you as his enemies whom he was to rule over.
He has brought you to the worship of YHWH, Elohim of Israel who has ordained that the goyim will serve Israel or perish. Yeah, those nations shall be utterly wasted (Isaiah 60:12) and it is Jesus who will carry out our destruction (Psalm 110).
Jesus is a trick buddy. Your own gods were abolished by the conquering Jews using the Romans to accomplish it. They burned all your temples, deleted your own gods, burned down all the ancient libraries and FORCED your ancestors into worshipping the Israelite God.
Christianity (and Islam) is THEE conspiracy, for they deceive gentiles into worshipping the God of Israel.
I think you don't understand, God came to save everyone and He uses whatever means and people He sees fit, there is no darkness in Him, other gods were demolished for our good because devils seek death and God is the life giver.
I agree, I think there are great conspiracies concerning them all; Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Issac, Esau and Jacob, Dan an the other 11 tribes, Judah (Benjamin,Judah, Levi?) and the lost tribes (Asher, Gad, Isaachar, Naphthali, Rueben, Simeon, Zebulon and Manessah?), who I think will be banded together under Ephraim in the end. Jesus can save everyone, I don't believe God has made anyone He didn't hope to see again. Abandon your false gods.
(Also I think I'm missing something important with Noah's sons..)
If YHWH is all good and other gods were demolished for 'our' good then how do you explain his continual calls for genocide?
And why does he state that the nation that does not serve israel shall be utterly wasted?
Why does he say that israel will eat the riches of the nations and that we will lick the dust of their feet?
Why does he say to rejoice in the bashing of babies off of rocks?
Finally, where in the entire bible does YHWH ever claim to be the god of any people other than the Israelites? He's not your god in his own view. For reasons already explained, you believe he is your God but nowhere can you point me to YHWH himself saying that he is anyones loving god but the Israelites. Declaring himself a conqueror of nations doesn't count.
That's a challenge for you if you're up for it
I will look into this and thank you for the challenge. I'll search by the key words you provided since you didn't link relevant scripture, the only words that matter are God's words on the matter.
If I may ask you, do you know who are all the Israelites in our present time? It's something I'm trying to figure out also.
The challenge, as you put it, is deep. While it certainly is an opportunity to grow, it's not the easiest step to take, and neither is it a small one. I urge you to pray, to see if God even wants you addressing this in your own walk at this time.
I suggest that exploring what SS is into is an essential prerequisite to this topic, broadly. Also that Jewish teaching on this includes many perspectives, none of which deserve to be ignored. I seriously doubt that OP has the patience for any of this, if he has even a drop of sincerity. Hopefully I'm proven wrong about that, but it's not a light matter.
Try searching Sephardi, Mizrahi, marranos. They love being called white colonizers. ;)
He has a point. Following Jesus can seem subversive to ones country, govt (which used to include the respective religious cult as a means of social peace through appeasement to one's deities) and ethne if one does not have a high view of the truthfulness of scripture or see it's narrative being reflected in reality.
I don't think anyone knows really. They're apparently 'lost'. Some circles claim that Europeans are made up of Israelite tribes and that the Danes, for example, are named for the tribe of Dan.
Other still might suggest that the Ethiopians are definitely in there.
Others still that black people in general but particularly those in America are part of the lost tribes (Black Hebrew Israelites).
They've probably been diluted out of existence through mixing. Perhaps the entire story is mythical. Perhaps there is just jews.
I would like you to confirm if these are the 3 scriptures you allude to, the 1st and 5th I think are over-arching themes and I don't feel pressed to pinpoint it in one verse, if you don't mind.
As for genocide, I would encourage you to help me by pinpointing the scriptures you are using in your estimation. There are many. I would blanketly state any genocide ordered or ordained would be because of it's incontrollable evil, my first thought is the great flood, God regretted His creation and has promised that is over. (Edit: He won't wipe us all out ever again)
Isaiah 60:12
For the nation and the kingdom
that will not serve you will perish;
those nations will be annihilated
If this is the verse you mean then my explanation would be; God has shown you all His ways through these people throughout oral and written history for millennia and if, in the end, He is rejected then you will receive what you wish, to be far from Him.
will kneel before Him—
even the one who cannot preserve his life.
If this is the verse you refer to I would highly suggest reading the whole Psalm, it has been irreplaceable in my understanding the Lord and savior Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. To the quoted verse, if it is the correct one, I would say from dust we were made and dust we shall return, but the Lord has given us the opportunity for new life and eternal bodies, through His sacfrifice.
and dashes them against the rocks.
If this is the scripture you speak about I would give my great thanks to u/SwampRangers for getting to this sooner than I, his explanation is what I understand also. Evil is so nasty in it's torments that it can indeed be a blessing to be spared.
Hi, on the first point - yes, you're correct in genocide being an overarching (and very repetitive) theme.
Why order the murder of babies? And of livestock? When Saul kept some sheep and cattle alive to burn in sacrifice to YHWH, YHWH changed his mind towards Saul being King of Israel - because he didn't fulfil the complete and utter genocide of the Amalekites and all their livestock! Is this really the god you accept as your own? Is this really a god you can call all good and all-loving?
Deuteronomy 7 contains the command to genocide many peoples and reiterates the fact that YHWH is the god of Israel only and of no other nation. For example:
Deu 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; Deu 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deu 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. Deu 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. Deu 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
See? He chose ONLY Israel to be his very own. And to conquer all other nations. Hence the verse in Isaiah 60:12 which states that the nation that does not serve thee (Israel) shall perish. Yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. There were multiple genocides past in the bible, and more yet to follow for the sake of the fulfilment of prophecy - which Jesus says he is come to do and that no jot or tittle shall pass until ALL be fulfilled.
For example, Jesus acknowledged that it is he who is referred to in Psalm 110 in Matthew and Mark. Thus:
Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David? Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. Mar 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
Psalm 110 says that Jesus will rule of Israels enemies and that they will be made his footstool. The enemies of Israel were Rome - and it was Rome that became the seat of Christianity in what was the Jews theological conquest of the gentiles and parasitisation of the Roman Empire. Remember, it is Jesus being spoken of in Psalm 110 where it says: Psa 110:5 My Lord is at your right side, and when he gets angry he will crush the other kings. Psa 110:6 He will judge the nations and crack their skulls, leaving piles of dead bodies all over the earth.
Jesus will judge the nations (goyim ie the non-Jews), crack our skulls and leave piles of dead bodies all over the earth. Is this guy REALLY your saviour...?
sa 49:23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Our leaders are to fall at the feet of Israel and lick up the dust of their feet. I mean, they already do so now, but still...
Or in Micah 7:16-17:
Mic 7:16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. Mic 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee.
Us goy (nations) are likened to worms and will be afraid of their god and shall be in fear because of Israel. Their god is not your god. Them and their god hates you if your not Jewish. Jesus is one of them and is not your saviour.
This is completely false.
Your entire position is based on ignorance.
This can be discussed, but it isn't brief.