Happy Birthday! Happy fake birthday that "we really don't know when her birthday is"...
Busted!
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I'm a big chronology buff. CathEn says:
"The older feast of the Conception of Mary ... originated in the monasteries of Palestine at least as early as the seventh century .... The monks, who arranged the psalmody and composed the various poetical pieces for the office, also selected the date, 9 December, which was always retained in the Oriental calendars."
In the Western hemisphere the date is 8 Dec leading to the very arbitrary birthdate of 8 Sep. Even if the first is correct, setting the second would only indicate about a month range. Much more interesting to readers of this sub will be Mary's age when her own conception of Jesus happened: the range of 12-18 is standard. Since I have Jesus's birth deliberately overspecified at 6 Oct 4 BC at 3 a.m. (a Saturday Sabbath), conception in 5 BC, Mary would be born in 17 BC. Evidence suggests she may have lived until at least the exodus from Jerusalem in 68 AD, aged 83-84.
The student of history would next investigate why 9 Dec was selected and what calendar the original monks were using. It could easily be the Coptic, which has several twists I haven't mastered, but it might get us one layer deeper into the introduction of the conception feast day, which was somewhat old in the 7th century.
And?
What proof is that of Mary's birthday?
I will wait for your proof of your claims.
Oh, I didn't make any claims. The reason I make up an arbitrary overspecified date for Jesus is just to draw out people who have other claims about it. But for Mary this is new info to me and so I have no claims, my MO is to list what I can be comfortable with and to give sources. I totally agree we don't know her birthday, and you may recall my recent Bible evidence that birthdays are pretty sketchy in the first place. For the conspirators, though, I like to indicate lines of evidence that might be fruitful.