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posted 2 years ago by BuckeyePatr1ot 2 years ago by BuckeyePatr1ot +23 / -5
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– Modeler42 -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

To understand what i am saying? It's best to learn about my perspective "from the horses mouth" don't you think?

If what you're saying applies to the properties of physical matter, yes. What it is does not change depending on our perspectives.

Not without pushing the cup towards you, no!

Yes, I absolutely can. I have a plastic water bottle on my desk right now. From above, I can grip the bottle at positions 4 and 6 o'clock, and bring the bottle towards me.

There is no handle.

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– jack445566778899 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

If what you're saying applies to the properties of physical matter, yes.

Of course, but more than that it is my perspective. As such you can learn about it best by discussing it with me, even if it applied to nothing in physical reality.

What it is does not change depending on our perspectives.

Agreed. Which is largely why calling the force which causes the cup to move "push" or "pull" shouldn't really bother you, right? A rose by any other name...

I have a plastic water bottle on my desk right now. From above, I can grip the bottle at positions 4 and 6 o'clock, and bring the bottle towards me.

True, or you could super glue the face of the bottle closest to you to your finger and then move the bottle towards you to as you moved your finger closer to you. In that case you are "pushing a rope" if you get my meaning. The billiard balls are still pushing towards you, and the force is transferred to them by the "rope".

There is no handle.

In your second example the cap is the handle, and in my example above the glued finger is the handle. But you need not think of things this way, and it doesn't seem like it is helping you to do so. It is intended as a conceptual aid; things don't need handles in order to push, obviously.

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